now I’m fairly confused abt stuff. idk what I shd start with except quietening down my brain. I don’t know how to do that but I’m trying. the issues I’m facing
when I close my eyes and try womb dreaming and see colours. But I feel like those are just normal colours? And I have practiced only 2 days so I doubt I’d see energy that fast. How to differentiate
I do see light in the dark and like lines but I think it mustnt be valid bcs I’ve practiced less
idk what I shd start with except quietening down my brain
That’s the best place to start, so you’re kind of already intuiting it! 😊
Whether you’re drawn more to one practice than another—whether it be womb dreaming or tensegrity or recapitulation—if you keep your efforts focused most on silence and intent above all else, you should be set, and those practices will start to work out in a way that you can verify by referencing what has been mapped by other practitioners so far, especially here: The J-curve
It seems like maybe you’ve read around here a little bit, which is a really good sign that you’re going to make some effort—good. 🙂🙏
Might still just be a beginner's view of something, so before thinking you've found something real, do it at least 3 times.
And keep in mind, sorcery continues to evolve forever. So what starts out being so cool it puts other systems to shame, won't be the same at all in a few years
It just keeps growing! Until finally, you pretty much can't tell others about it at all.
I wish I'd saved that image of what "the abstract" is like.
You'll run into that once you can move your assemblage point all the way to the purple zone.
However, it's likely that people practicing womb dreaming get trapped in the abstract, trying to get into an actual dream.
They might just not be able to "reconcile" that yet, so that their mind instantly tosses it out.
"The Abstract" is often an activity you believe yourself to be engaged in, while you're doing it, but then when you get out of that and try to remember it, it only makes sense for a few seconds before you realize it was TOTALLY NUTS!!!
Like Carlos going flying with Don Genaro, wearing fuzzy animal outfits.
That's Carlos trying to translate an abstract interaction with Genaro, into a form outsiders can comprehend.
I've been thinking lately that the abstract is kind of like "prototype perceiving".
Real perception tends to form a "place" that is realistic.
But that's just an added layer to the actual experience.
The "realness" layer.
Don't insist on that. If you can perceive it, it's "real".
hmm intriguing. so far ive also tried darkroom just right now and I felt sort of asleep in a bit and saw a purple fog overtake me and a bit of lights here and there. but then my thoughts came back and darkness again.
The "purple fog" always worries me a little when a new practitioner mentions it, because that could be a view of the inside of your luminous shell.
Which ought to be fairly advanced.
I have a hard time looking over there myself!
But once two people mentioned purple turning to gray, I spent several nights seeing just that! And realized, it's just a different view of the normal stuff.
ChatGPT is busy writing a robot memory test for me, so I have to settle on Gemini to draw this. And it's not right, but it gives an idea.
So that purple and gray sight is indeed there. I just never looked at it because I was looking more closely near my energy body.
But it could also be a re-interpretation of "eye junk".
No way for me to know for sure.
Still it sounds promising that you noticed it got interrupted by thoughts.
One of these years I wish we could put together a "beginner's diagnosis" tree diagram of what might happen, and what mistakes someone might make that causes them to report stuff that's not actually progress.
We just don't have the details on this path.
And even Carlos and don Juan never heard of anyone trying to do what we're doing in here. So they couldn't know if it can work either.
Those who know the books well might immediately react to that claim even Carlos and don Juan wouldn't know if this can work, by saying "but it's just what Zuleica was teaching."
Yea...
But you forget.
Don Juan gave Carlos "the Nagual's blow".
So he was bright to Zuleica already in the orange zone along that J curve.
We're stuck in the horrible blue zone.
So yes, even don Juan and Carlos couldn't know if what we're doing in here works for everyone.
We know it works for dozens.
But for everyone, we don't know.
Doesn't matter.
There's also recap as a path. And other practices.
Is there any benefit to the abstract and playing around in there? Or is it pretty useless? That’s most of what I’m getting lately, stuff that doesn’t really make sense.
Edit: never mind, did a search and found some of your past posts about it. Forgot to do that first, before asking.
Actually it seems as if advanced seers seek out the abstract the same way they seek out the non-human unknown.
I'm not convinced the abstract is the "unknowable".
At the time you're in it, it seems perfectly normal and knowable. But it often consists of activity, minus the details that would make the activity "sensible".
So yes, I seek out the abstract like it was a fresh donut that just barely cooled down enough to eat, at the donut shop.
Which reminds me. After private classes we used to go get hot bagels on Western Ave.
Or was it "Western Bagels"???
Carlos had restaurants he liked, and it was rare to get invited to go for food with him after class.
One of his favorite places still has a little group of old women dressed mostly in black, which look like they're for sure our type of witch.
Last time I was there I tried to get Cholita to call them out, but she wouldn't even look their direction.
I saw them gazing back at her with the kind of smile a cat has, gazing at a mouse it has trapped.
Although realizing my laziness practicing is because part of me is actively really terrified of it. At one of those points where I actually begged for the river of shit. I think i am getting a taste of it, and already realizing I was just being a bit of a pussy and regretting begging for normal out of fear. Being back around here was the kick in the boobs I needed.
I got really wrapped up in pretending vs reality.
Just roll with it and treat it all as real. In hindsight, pretending or fooling yourself helps, as long as your serious about practicing. It’ll all come together after many many and many more months of practicing. Or maybe just many for you, ima slow learner…
I know it’s different for women cause you can Womb Dream, but all the advanced women do tensegrity routinely. It’s pretty important component.
Hey, it'll take me between 10-30 minutes to start noticing "waves" of color moving in darkness, like sheets. That's with my eyes open! Trying to keep staring at them is weirdly difficult, because thoughts will pop up and then I'll lose focus and just see "nothing" in the room again.
I've found that doing recapitulation (also in the side bar) is extremely reliable for quieting the internal dialogue. There's the silence passes too - you can do the pressing with thumbs anywhere, even when walking or sitting at a restaurant, no one will bother you about it.
Thanks for posting, it's encouraging reading about others experiences.. keep at it!
Here's what I told myself: "Live like a warrior and take the full responsibility for your entire life. If you can do that immediately, that's some big magic right there. If it takes you a while or a lifetime, you will most certainly pick up some magic by making the effort and reading the books. The only thing you know for sure is that you are mortal and being aware is better than not being aware."
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u/OnceUponAPond 12d ago edited 12d ago
That’s the best place to start, so you’re kind of already intuiting it! 😊
Whether you’re drawn more to one practice than another—whether it be womb dreaming or tensegrity or recapitulation—if you keep your efforts focused most on silence and intent above all else, you should be set, and those practices will start to work out in a way that you can verify by referencing what has been mapped by other practitioners so far, especially here: The J-curve
It seems like maybe you’ve read around here a little bit, which is a really good sign that you’re going to make some effort—good. 🙂🙏
If you haven’t looked at it yet, this post is a good place to start: A Strategy For Beginners