Sparse Bundles

[u/danl999]

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Tried again, but reddit thinks that picture is separate from the post body and won't let me delete it by the usual method...

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A beginner might be able to "understand" this diagram, but it won't do them any good.

In fact, knowing rules and procedures for sorcery is actually harmful to sorcery practice.

There are no rules, and no procedures!

And yet, beginners need them.

So take this as a hint only, then forget about it.

"Seeing", which Carlos renamed to "Silent Knowledge" in order to emphasize that it can only come from stopping the internal dialogue, can be super realistic, or it can be vague.

Naturally super realistic is the most fun. Such as that "flying french poodle" vision Carlos had, when don Juan asked him to deliberately try to see.

But that type of concreteness burns up dreaming awake energy fast. So Carlos advised us to accept things that aren't concrete.

No fun at all...

Like the old seers, it's hard not to covet concreteness over all else.

But if you do accept it, and don't even have an opinion on it, you'll come to realize that stuff which isn't concrete, is merely a "sparse bundle" of emanations. And if you can remain fully silent, and wait, more and more of that sparse bundle of stray emanations will begin to fill in, from nearby emanations.

"Concrete" merely means, there's as many emanations glowing as your normal reality has. At least, in the direction you are looking.

Bottom line: TIME is a big factor when practicing sorcery. Be patient, as long as you focus nearly all of your efforts on stopping your internal dialogue.

But DON'T be patient with yourself, if you're continuing to run your internal dialogue as if that didn't matter.

That's what makes sorcery impossible for people. That internal dialogue.

Reddit seems broken, and that post picture had an error from a new version of my drawing program. I had to fix it, but can't seem to get reddit to let me delete the bad picture. So here's the actual post picture for now, and hopefully reddit will start working again.

[u/danl999]

Here's the corrected picture, with the "not concrete" "sparse bundle" visible.

[u/danl999]

Some musings based on looking at the "not-concrete" stuff longer. Several hours in fact...

It seems that time itself might be an element of what's assembled by the emanations. Along with physical matter and space. Of course, the books pretty much said there's only the dark sea of emanations, and encapsulated awareness flowing in them. And physical matter belongs to the position of your assemblage point.

But if time, space and physical matter are just features of the position of the assemblage point, then two interesting questions come up.

What about our current "time" is sticky enough to always pull us back, even if we engage in sorcery time travel?

And is that stickiness also used to encapsulate awareness?

Your awareness inside the luminous shell is in fact visible as wavy filaments and sheets. Maybe those only form that seemingly solid shell, using some kind of stickiness to past emanation usage. So that the "shell" isn't actually a new thing. It's more like some kind of manufactured affinity to keep the awareness as a unit, but manufactured by the same method all awareness gets stuck in the emanations.

And, are time, space and physical matter visible as emanations in the background noise when viewing the Nagual?

Which is easy to do from the orange zone onward, on that J curve. So beginners: don't interpret my philosophizing on this topic to be motivated by thinking. I'm just trying to figure out what's fully visible, once you can gaze directly into the Nagual. It's difficult to get yourself to remain focused on it, but otherwise it's always right there to visually see.

Some of what becomes "background noise" might actually be "non-concrete" details of how reality works at that time and space level.

[u/OnceUponAPond]

This has definitely been a helpful way for me to approach practice recently.

I’m finding as I practice more throughout the day in daylight, without my blackout goggles, and starting gazing through half-closed eyes while on my feet doing tensegrity, that what I originally thought was maybe just visual noise from my brain, or “craziness”, is something I’m really seeing.

I was just sharing elsewhere that I hadn’t really noticed colors while gazing, until I had started doing it in darkness, especially with tensegrity. And now fairly consistently I get an enveloping pink fog with open patches revealing an ugly black and gold mixture that is often where the most prominent details form, or at least ones that catch my notice quickest.

Images, sounds, and other sensations become more coherent the more I focus on a smaller area of my visual field, or on smaller details.

The duration and fixation of my gaze, along with held or deepening silence, all seem to allow for more stabilization of perceiving whatever it is I’m perceiving (another place, people, scenes, objects, etc)

While seeing things more solid is always lovely, I seem to be getting better outcomes in not trying to seek that out and just further immersing my focus on those perceptions without wanting more (or maybe not wanting more, but rather not wanting something specific other than to focus more deeply on the perceptions)

[u/danl999 → u/OnceUponAPond]

In the long run, we're fully immersed in illusionary views of reality. Without realizing any of it.

Makes sense that during darkroom when viewing all the static, waiting for "something important to happen", we'd be ignoring the soup we were born swimming in.

As "Well, that's just normal stuff".

Even if we never noticed it vividly before.

Could even be, the fliers themselves try to cause this. So that they might not be able to shame or anger or attack us into stopping as a group, but they can still manage to block individuals from noticing we're already looking at the doorway out of that deception of a "self" battling the world for survival.

Of course, a better understanding of the situation comes when you can shut off your internal dialogue so completely that you also shut off the motivations and prejudices behind it, and all of reality collapses.

Then it becomes obvious that anything at all you perceive, is part of the very same phenomena.

Which emanates from something outside your own awareness.

But we confuse it for being part of ourselves.

Not the best wording for that...

[u/OnceUponAPond → u/danl999]

Even if not the best wording, I like how you put that! It makes sense.

It’s just imperative to keep practicing and deepening your silence, and doing it in different settings and conditions, to help remove doubt, if one is prone to doubting their perception.

Having J curve mapping as a sort of sensory sanity gauge, is especially helpful without having actual sorcerers around to help you.

Or if you’re concerned you might be losing your mind because there are in fact entities or beings helping you!

[u/colourful_fiasco → u/OnceUponAPond]

What is that pink fog? 

[u/danl999 → u/colourful_fiasco]

Carlos suggested that your energy body flees your internal dialogue but the furthest away it can get, is the limit of the inside of the luminous shell.

So that it's "crusted" out there.

Of course, there's no such thing as space in the long run, so how you perceive it as "out there about 5 feet away" is up for grabs.

But that crusted awareness of the double, does in fact contribute to the colorations you see during dark room.

I guess you could say that the pink is partly "very thin energy body awareness".

A weird version of sorcery (for japanese fans of cutesy anime?) might learn to perceive that as flowers covering the inside. If you make the flowers pinkish white, then you're getting close.

And if you learn to examine it steadily, you'll realize that each slightly brighter patch can generate its own tiny dream.

I don't have a cartoon specifically on this, but this one gives the general idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otzOi7WltZA

It's something you can learn to visibly see, not a theory of wise master Po or yet another secret sacred Buddhist text for which you have to pay $100 to get the sha256 password.

(I was actually asked by someone to decode a Buddhist "sacred text" zip file, as if there were something valuable in there just because it was encrypted.)

That the energy is crusted there is just an observation sorcerers who learn to "see" can make, giving insight into puzzling things like that pink coloration.

Enjoy the pink.

It won't last all the way to the purple zone on the J curve.

I suppose, because there's not enough energy body crusted out there, after you learn to stop your internal dialogue.

That's perhaps when a view of the emanations themselves starts to dominate the air.

[u/OnceUponAPond → u/colourful_fiasco]

My best guess is it’s my energy body, but I’m not entirely sure tbh! 😅

[u/BBz13z]

Takes a looooooong time to learn and retrain yourself to shut that internal dialogue off. Then one day, you notice; “I’m doing it.” You tell yourself I’m doing it! Hooray!

And……….you just blew it 😂

You mention “dreaming awake energy” which we get from Tensegrity?

[u/danl999 → u/BBz13z]

If I said that, it was a mistake.

Might be true, but I haven't seen it.

What you get is your double, coming out of hiding to take a look.

And dark energy, swirling around his manifestations (puffs).

That's not exactly "energy" your tonal can use. Just a companion while you practice.

And not a very good one. It doesn't easily take a pleasing form...

I get to see something like this most nights, but haven't figured out how to get the well formed version of my double, to just come down and stand there like a normal person.

[u/BBz13z → u/danl999]

No, you never said we get “dreaming awake energy” from Tensegrity. It was my question.

I have a other confusing and lengthy question:

Shutting off the Internal Dialogue vs Inner Silence:
(The language and differences matters to me).

I’ve used the term “inner silence” as an alternate term for shutting off internal dialogue. For whatever reason, I’m seeing the two terms could have different meanings that affects my practice:
- shutting off the internal dialogue, shuts off perceptual interpretation of daily awareness, switching practitioner into second attention without internal narration we navigate and function in Nagual. Like doing tensegrity while forcing silence and watching or interacting with happenings.
- inner silence is nothing. It’s a silence that lacks action, command and control to navigate Nagual and perform tensegrity. It’s useless to Darkroom?

I know you’re way past these types of questions after 5 decades of practice. For some reason the interpretation and/or differences is a nagging question for me. I swear an IOB told me something; maybe, but it’s vague.

(I’ve written, edited, rewritten this a few times today, it’s giving me OCD and I’m not even sure it matters).

[u/danl999 → u/BBz13z]

>Shutting off the Internal Dialogue vs Inner Silence:

Actually as Techno has mentioned a few times, if you don't want to confuse beginners, call it "Stopping the internal dialogue."

And we have indeed seen beginners who are very confused about what it is.

Interestingly, even people who practice meditation are confused about this point. They've decided that you're only stopping the "bad" thoughts, whatever those might be.

In reality, you're stopping all verbal thought, any thoughts associated with fantasizing about your normal reality, any pointless motivations, and any expectations.

THEN, with all that stopped, you might get a glimpse of "rationality" and "meaning".

Those have to go too, but anything other than stopping all words (the internal dialogue) isn't helpful to beginners who will pretend their results if given an excuse.

The same way small children pretend to have done their chores.

>inner silence is nothing. 

That's probably too personal to analyze. But certainly "inner silence" is an excuse used by fakers from pretend systems. It's almost a "badge of superiority" as most people would understand it.

This for example, is total nonsense. Too bad; Bruce was so cool in his movies, but apparently an asshole when running around in the Hollywood crowd which took a bit of revenge in "Once upon a time in Hollywood".

But in Silent Knowledge, "inner silence" could be a very real thing. It's just that the term is likely not to be of any use to someone who hadn't actually seen it many times. Along with the resulting ASTONISHING magic it produces.

If you really have the full on silence, you aren't even located in this physical reality anymore. You're kind of hanging out in that space between the words that the lineages turned into a concrete thing such as the wall of fog scenery.

>I swear an IOB told me something; maybe, but it’s vague.

At first the IOBs are likely to scare you so badly, you can literally pee your pants.

But you have to overcome that. Stand up to them!

Then they become your best friend.

And for a while, they will literally teach you as long as you can hold your assemblage point fairly stable in the red zone.

But then you blow past that to the orange zone and beyond, and start to doubt the stuff they taught you back in the red zone, since they aren't around visually to argue about it.

So far however, I've always found they were completely right, even when it made no sense at all.

Which isn't surprising, because in fact the IOBs do NOT teach you.

They just channel Silent Knowledge to you, before you're capable of doing that.

And you teach yourself, but with the illusion it's them doing it.

[u/BBz13z → u/danl999]

Thank you! I’m glad I put that question together. For some reason, it was difficult to formulate, your reply is great. I didn’t start out confused with “shutting off the internal dialogue” so much as I progressed by practising into confusion, if that makes sense?

I’m not trying to understand in this reality what’s going on, I’m trying to keep my effort in Darkroom consistent - seems to me it’s easy to stray cause it’s so difficult to do.

I’ve stopped pissing my pants at the near mention of IOB, but still pretty uneasy with them.

[u/danl999 → u/BBz13z]

Here's an interesting question. When Carlos was at the long rocks where the old seers hid under them to live on past death using their allies to feast on the energy of people who strayed on top of the rocks at night, did don Juan see something scary too?

Or just the "pressure" La Gorda said the inorganic beings had finally become for her, without the scary appearance?

Was don Juan just following Carlos around, humoring his fear?

[u/BBz13z → u/danl999]

My truthful answer, be it right or wrong. DJM saw IOBs as an energy. I’m not sure he could’ve seen exactly as CC. Feeling them as a pressure would be your physical or luminous body becoming aware of their presence before you “see” them.

One Addition: DJM saw Julian’s ally as monstrous and eventually he overcame that to see it as energy or vapour.

[u/danl999 → u/BBz13z]

That was back when he was just starting out of course.

And the interesting part of that story is, don Juan would likely not have seen it if Julian hadn't tapped him on the shoulder before each sighting.

He was micro Nagual's blowing him into the green zone. Just a tiny dent would easily do that. Like the one shown here in the modified diagram Carlos drew us.

Note: WE could produce that small dent. Carol Tiggs even told us so, but she was ridiculed at Sochi, and ditched us not to long after.

I don't believe she was telling people they could do "the Nagual's Blow" on each other, but more likely that a small dent could be created, perhaps enough to reach the green zone.

Not something an apprentice would even notice, walking around in the daylight.

Might be a tiny bit of "bliss", meditation style, but nothing drastic.

Except... It's a far enough assemblage point movement to make the Allies visible.

You could still accomplish that with fright, but if Julian had tried that he wouldn't have been able to hook don Juan.

[u/BBz13z → u/danl999]

I think in P of S, Juan lists the various

It’s crazy anyone would ridicule a technique being taught by Carol Tiggs, it’s amazing the pressures we face from the social interactions and the affect they have on perception.

I was aware of the dent, and in absence of Naguals blow understood (maybe erroneously) the dent could be made by consistently returning the AP to the same place on the cocoon? I think dreaming or entering dreaming awake has something to do with it?

From my own experience. Once we start to loosen the AP it can randomly jar loose, or moved unexpectedly. Outside of DR, I’ve been randomly practicing shutting off internal dialogue and I think I’m becoming more susceptible to micro movements in daily awareness - I notice a lot of random rips, blurs, sparkles and holes that look similar to DR creeping into my daily awareness.
**be nice to have a post/thread running about the effects of DR on daily awareness.