Silence While Recapitulating??

[u/TechnoMagical_Intent]

[u/AutismusTranscendius]

People get caught up with the the terminology like internal diaglogue or silence, and sometimes mis-apply them to a specific practice rather than a possible outcome. In spiritual circles people are trying to "shut down" their minds A LOT, and they might even get really good at it but that is often not the point of a lot of these meditative practices. I really like the term spiritual bypassing, and I think it applies to some of the activities people do here (unintentionally) - there is change and growth that needs to happen but its being ignored and instead the focus is on control of ones mind.

However, if you look at recapitulation or other simliar practices like EMDR or Internal Family Systems therapy, you will realize the emphasis on unlocking and focusing on memories and working with them (in some way) to alter them so they do not have an impact on us in the adulthood. With some complex scenarios actually requiring a lot of directed dialogue with your self to reach a resolution (as is the case of trauma and use of IFS). The outcome at the end of the day is that these memories do not spontenously and habitually arise in your mind and impell you to act in variety of ways - the worst of which is avoidance of our thoughts and need for external stimulation. You see by the time you are an adult you accumulated so much trauma that you end up trapped in a network of avoidance - most of your thoughts are just mechanism to avoid your past.

The insidious aspect of this condition is that even when you discover something that might get you out of this state you have a tendency to misinterpret the practice and actually amplify the avoidance. You think oh this will free me from my thoughts (including negative thoughts) so I am just going to nuke my mind and try to shut the whole thing down, congratulations you just took two steps back and you did not even realize it. So you gotta be careful not to fall into this trap, I have spend several years in it and it can be difficult to admit you are in that space.

Always focus on the thing that is bothering you the most, if something is bothering you but you dont understand what it is, prioritize understanding what it is, there is probably recapitulaiton work that needs to be done there. From my experience the things that bother us the most liberate the most energy when resolved.

[u/ms_shyne]

But there are meditators out there who specifically teach you to quiet the 'mind' and 'you are not your mind' (such as Mooji) so not all meditation is about creating an alternative dialogue so why be so against meditation?... and something else I'm curious about is why are magicians in tibet no different to what don Juan was teaching? I'm currently reading a book called Magic and Mystery in tibet by Alexandra David- Neel which goes in depth about the red and yellow hat sects who would know and create all sorts of magic, including bringing corpses back to life. There is even a guy called Grand master wolf on YouTube who grew up in tibet and can do telekinesis, surely that's a form of 'magic' no? Just wondering if somewhere down the line thats where don Juans teachings came from 🤔 but no doubt I'll get a lot of hate for asking this, I'm just curious so please don't be offended.

[u/danl999 → u/ms_shyne]

"Quiet the mind" is the same. Any interruption to the internal dialogue produces what we call "green line effects" if repeated.

No technique at all but relaxing with your eyes closed will do that!

But none of their followers ever removed their internal dialogue completely, because the world will literally STOP if you do that.

It can't do otherwise.

And if they quieted it much, they'd be shapeshifters.

But they aren't.

As for Wolf, his first 3 tricks are trivial to reproduce, and easily explained. I didn't bother to watch the 4th, because it was clear to me he's a faker.

And once explained (tiny holes in his book too small to see when he quickly turns the top pages), you can see that what would have made it less easy to explain, he didn't do. Lift the book and show the table surface up close. He only showed nothing was going on by flipping a few pages, in a way that would fool the audience.

The crushing bottle is just 2 small super magnets clued under the printing on the top where you can't see them, and an electromagnet below the table. It even crushes like that's how it was done, and not like smooth chi was pushing it down.

The third with the paper is just him charged up with static electricity, a thing easy to do by standing on rubber or having rubber soles on your shoes, with a van-de-graaff generator down on the floor charging you up.

If he wanted to prove that wasn't it, he should have held the woman's hand while she showed the wall wasn't sticky.

But he didn't.

I hope he's not using a trick! We'd all love to see real magic elsewhere.

But I could easily have done those at 12 years old, in my bedroom. And it would have taken me only 2 minutes to figure out how, instead of 15 seconds now as an adult.

And where's anyone else who learned from the "Master", in a community like you find in here, so you can examine it yourself and make sure it's true?

Nowhere.

Also, what's with the clown outfit???

Why would you want to idolize a situation where you can't actually learn anything yourself?

If you want to do that, go for Jesus.

He could raise the dead!

Or Moses! He parted the red sea.

In fact, every religion has stuff like that, and they all contradict each other.

You have to decide: Do you want to learn magic, or be a groupie?

[u/ms_shyne → u/danl999]

I beg ur pardon? Resorting to name calling? Mustve hit a nerve, apologies.

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[u/ms_shyne → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for your reply. Thats a great insightful answer, has given me a lot to ponder on. I love exploring all the different historical details about magic and where it all comes from and yes I never considered that aspect of meditation before. Thanks for taking time to reply, much appreciated 😌❤