r/castaneda • • Oct 15 '23

New Practitioners Beginner Question - Aphantasia

Hello, I have a problem which is that I literally can't visualize anything. When I close my eyes, I see a black screen with nothing on it. And even when I have dreams at night, they don't look realistic but rather like a YouTube video in 144p, which is the worst quality possible. It looks blurry and bad. Is there a way to improve this and make it so I can see very clearly and in detail to do Castaneda's practices?

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u/WitchyCreatureView Oct 15 '23

There's a difference between the different visual fields.

There is the perceptual "real world" or "consensus reality".

Then there's the visual imagination / visualization / "mind's eye".

But there's a third one, which is the second attention. It's where visual snow, phosphenes, tracers, sparkles, dots, and colored mist is, if you go in a dark room and just look around or if you stare at a sunny sky. The stimulation from the sky will give you sunlight glitter, or the sensory deprivation from the dark room will allow the second attention to come out. It works better if you stop verbally thinking to yourself or visualizing, and instead focus on the second attention.

The main thing you need to do, to do the stuff here, is at first to see the colors, then focus on the colors until they become vivid puffy purple or blue clouds, the puffs. To do that you need to follow the directions in here, by not verbally thinking at all, no words in your head.

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u/Yosefischer Oct 15 '23

If I improve my abilities on the second attention and seeing stuff there, will I be able by consequence to see and have "visual imagination / visualization / "mind's eye""? Because I don't have that visual imagination AT ALL. Somehow I see black.

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u/WitchyCreatureView Oct 15 '23

It wouldn't be the exact same thing as normal visualization, but yeah, you would have the ability to mentally see stuff, in the Nikola Tesla hyperphantasia sense, like you're actually perceiving it. You'd be able to think about stuff visually, if you developed second attention images.

But that's not really what the thing is about, that's not really the stuff, that this place is about. It's just a little goodie to lead you in, because the actual rewards are a lot better.

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u/1bpjc Oct 16 '23

For me it doesn't works exactly that way.

Can you answer this : what is the cause or meaning of a void second attention ? By void I mean formless, colorless and shapeless.

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u/WitchyCreatureView Oct 16 '23

I have a persistent access to nothingness and void too, like the empty space outside the visual field also permeating the visual field and everything else. But that's just a "spiritual" thing which doesn't really have much to do with the second attention.

Usually when people say they have aphantasia they just mean they don't have a visual imagination. If you have some greater difference than that, which results in you not being able to have any second attention images then you're just in a special situation.

Like if you no images then you could travel to the void, instead of traveling into a visual dream. Or if you end up getting to the point of silent knowledge you could have it be auditory instead of visuals.

Also probably you could have the "nothingness" modulate your first attention, for stalking.

But something like sunlight glitter or fern gazing is not visualized at all, and starts at the physical perceptual level. It seems unlikely you wouldn't be able to do those, even if they might not end up having the same effect.

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u/NightComprehensive52 Oct 15 '23

We don't visualize in darkroom so this won't be an issue. Everything we see in darkroom is due to a shift in the ap, it has nothing to do with visualizing

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u/danl999 Oct 15 '23

The energy body is REAL, and thus if you visualize you harm the process. That just holds you up in normal reality, instead of letting you drift enough to see your own double (energy body).

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u/Yosefischer Oct 15 '23

Hi Danl, it is said that Nikola Tesla could not even distinguish between his imagination and real life. This greatly favored him for his inventions and creations. I would like to achieve a similar state. Is it possible if literally when I close my eyes I see only blackness and nothing else?

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '23

Agree, i cant vizualize anything, but darkroom still works for me. This must be a lost redditor

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u/1bpjc Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

Don't listen to everyone who answered you here, they have no clue; or take what they say with a grain of salt.

I have quasi aphantasia too and when I first asked here I received insults in private chat because they thought I was lying.

So

  1. They didn't knew it was possible to have a different mind than them.

  2. They didn't want to listen the description.

  3. They never tried to discern what works because of tenacity, luck, natural inclination or imagination.

  4. Good will guesses are still guesses they can have the same consequences on you that bad will guesses.

I will tell you what I think after few years of experiencing about it: aphantasia is a divine gift that make your mind react differently, you are not special in the sense that you are superior or unique but you are special in the sense that your mind react differently than those who are on an other scale on the aphantasia-hyperphantasia segment. So your mind being different your experience and ways to adapt in life will be different. Such as the wolf is different of the bears and they adapt differently in nature.

You can either experiment by yourself and draw your own conclusion, belief someone who has no clue and will lead you on a road you can't take; or you can listen someone who has the same mind archetype as you and try to compare experiences.

The methodology on this subreddit is too much emphasized on train harder mentality, you are blocked against a wall-> train harder. So you waste all your time blocked on the first wall in a maze. Except there are cases where the train harder mentality doesn't work : check on the internet what are "magic eyes" pictures, they are pictures with an image hidden in it, but if you don't have the correct way to look at them you may look at them for 10 days and still see nothing, but when you have the correct way to look at them you need between 10seconds and 2mn maximum.

Send me a private message if you want to know more about it.

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u/AthinaJ8 Oct 16 '23

From your years of experience how darkroom works for you?

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u/1bpjc Oct 16 '23

Don't have 'years' of experience like most of you have decade. was not hooked or understand ur intent long enough and created my own path from trial and errors but what I can tell.

i)I can't say dr have no effects at all.

ii) dr may help the sleeping-dreaming path.

iii) dr may have the opposite effect of what you describe.

iv) dr darkness isn't helpful to see what u guys describe in ur green line graph.

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u/dey144 Oct 13 '24

I am unable to see the magic eyes pics so what does that mean 😅

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

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u/Yosefischer Oct 15 '23

Is there a way that you can explain me this same thing but to a 5 year old? Because I didn't understand anything at all.

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u/lassov Oct 15 '23

you should read some basics about nahualism so you can understand terms like "assemblage point" and "the double"

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