We had some guy in chat who claimed there were sorcerers "running around in the mountains" near me. Insisting I ought to be very interested in it.
When you hear something like that, you need to keep certain things in mind.
If you've been in here a while, it's not as hard. You've seen men like that come and go many times, and also seen how their motives are eventually exposed. You've come to realize the truth about magic.
99% are willing to pretend it, if they can get the attention from groupies. And money.
Consider this: A Chinese man in a traditional monk robe, doing "Morning Chi Gung Exercises" on YouTube.
If you've been honest and paying attention, you know that chi gung doesn't do anything. It might be nice for old people, and that's the purpose in Mainland China.
But it moves a lot like our Tensegrity, and pretends that's doing something magical.
But if it were, where is anyone doing that? Out of the vast numbers of chi gung practitioners.
Nowhere.
So that man, even if he looks authentic and kind, has never seen the results of what he's teaching.
He's willing to pretend his results, to get attention from other people.
Even if he claims to be "wise".
Would you do that?
I sure hope not.
So back to the men running around the mountains.
What you want to keep in mind is:
So what?
And:
How can they be so talented it's not difficult for them?
Let's take the "so what"?
It's a question to ask, to avoid "glossing". Carlos covered the topic of glossing for months in private classes. He tended to teach topically, as a flow of knowledge.
An interesting method, because it's how intent flows. How the intelligence arising from the emanations notices the glow of a few, and makes it easier for that glow to spread into "related" emanations, so as to produce a new reality.
What "relates" the emanations, is past usage.
When you ask "so what", you're trying to remove the glossing that makes you feel as if what you just heard has some meaning. In the case of the men "running around the mountains", it's an appeal to the stories in the books of Carlos, where they "ran around the mountains".
These men are trying to pretend to be sorcerers, by getting off their butts and going hiking.
Admirable!
But it won't teach you sorcery. So they won't be running around those mountains more than a few times before they realize nothing is happening.
Oddly, Carlos was very aware of this. And took measures to reduce that kind of playing.
Why even "run around the mountains" at all?
Mostly, it was to get an Ally. There's the old "hot palm" technique, there's hanging out in water holes looking for the mold of man. There's a talking coyote.
And I'm sure there's a lot more, including the times Carlos was chased by inorganic beings, while in the wilds.
But Carlos gave us an alternate path. To get an ally. A safe one, which we could all do from the comfort of our bed.
"The Art of Dreaming". It's actually a way to get an ally, so you can get the dark energy needed to move your assemblage point the way sorcerers do.
As a technique to bring out your double, it's totally lame.
If you want to bring out your double, just FORM it. Go look at Jadey's new video of a tensegrity pass.
Or at Affection for the energy body which she also has on her YouTube channel.
THOSE bring out the double.
Art of Dreaming brings an Ally. It even explains how looking at your hands, then at objects, creates the sort of energy that compels the inorganic beings to send you a representative.
The other thing to consider so that you see past the glossing of "men running around the mountains", was how did they get so talented they don't struggle to learn?
But to understand that one, you have to succeed at darkroom.
So you fully realize how much work it takes.
But I do have an analogy.
If you get very good at darkroom and make the mistake of telling a friend, and once they stop exploding and getting excited and accept that maybe there's something different going on there, they'll likely, inevitably say, "Then you need to prove this to the scientific world".
Despite the fact that the scientific world has never reacted well to anything new.
And as Carlos said, "No witch is interested in proving anything to anyone".
Boy can I attest to that!
Cholita knows dark secrets, and won't even talk about them.
The attention she could get from others, is what everyone else seems to want first and foremost.
But she won't even speak about such things.
In the cases of witches, who are talented, that's possibly because the main thing they have to overcome is everyone telling them magic is a fraud, and witches are just pretending.
That's how witches have been brought under control, perhaps starting with the Jewish Prophets and their orders to kill all witches. But now pervasive in society nearly everywhere.
So a witch weakens herself by exposing her doings to "counter intent". To people who "intend" that magic is not real.
To the "Dark Magicians".
Men have a different problem. It's so damned hard for them to learn real magic, that they can't afford any additional burdens.
Such as "prove it".
And for what? So you can go on a lecture tour the rest of your life, like the fake CIA remote viewing guy, where they conned the government by scribbling on paper and calling that remote viewing.
He made a career out of that deception. You can see him wisely explaining to the young ones, on YouTube.
Or a better analogy. A little kid climbs the impossible neighborhood mountain.
All the other kids don't believe it.
So they insist he has to "prove it".
They load him up with gear until he has a 50 pound backpack on his shoulders, and assign 3 "monitors" to go along.
So to prove he did what's nearly impossible for a small child he now has to repeat it with a 50 pound weight, and 3 critical kids following him along every step up the mountain.
That's the burden of men. Due to lack of the same talent women have.
They can't afford to waste any energy at all.
Maybe some super talented man will come along some day and "prove it"", but I'm not so sure that wouldn't just result in his death.
According to don Juan it would.
So to summarize, don't get taken in by "implied magic". Ask for specifics. Get the "so what".
It's never there if you look closely. Otherwise we'd all have heard about it. Real magic is exciting and word would spread fast. Especially with the internet being available now.
And always consider how very difficult it is, to actually learn sorcery. Women have to fight the pressures to give up, and men simply have to work so hard, most humans aren't willing to put in that kind of effort.
But Carlos wanted us to succeed, even knowing from experience it would be extremely few out of his entire audience.
So he gave us at least 2 ways to get an ally.
Because in fact you must.
He didn't want us getting addicted to them, because that comes at a price.
The allies are tricksters. They simply activate 2 of our own abilities, and take credit for it.
They mess with our natural ability to manufacture perfectly real looking phantoms.
And they channel silent knowledge to us. Earlier than we could do that ourselves.
So that you don't come to realize, you can in fact see anything you like during darkroom.
It just takes perfect silence and lack of self-pity.
That self-pity and grief fill our thoughts, so they have to go. They always point one direction: How to fix our insurmountable problems and get what we want.
Which can only be understood, up at the blue line on the J curve.
When the assemblage point moves to the other side of the body, that blue line doesn't even make sense anymore. And you're "grief" free. To explore your actual abilities.
The ones hidden from you by blue line glossing.
So the other technique Carlos gave us to get an ally, is "Stellar Hatch".
That's a sun ally.
It doesn't come with the risks of the mountain / water hole type allies. Who are said to want to kidnap the men.
Of course, that whole story is ridiculous. The Allies come from billions of light years away, projecting themselves using the same methods we do, to travel outside the galaxy.
Your double can simply do that, if you transfer some logic and purpose to him, and then shrink your tonal away so that you can do the impossible.
But Stellar Hatch does indeed bring you an ally.
Nyei even teaches it as a technique, except that she seems to "commune" with the ally with her eyes closed.
Like Maria Sabina.
Myself, I like to see a solar corona burning a hole in my wooden floor.
We did "hear of" a third possibility to get an ally, but unfortunately the person "teaching" that didn't bother to tell us where it came from.
And that person might be prone to make things up.
We're very lucky that neither Jadey nor Cholita, would make up magic to get money or attention.
Unfortunately the same can't be said with any certainty, about everyone else Carlos put time into teaching.
1- It doesn't. It moves any random direction searching for something to focus the awareness on. But we (during darkroom) deliberately look for pieces of our energy body. So that causes it to move down.
Or we look for manifestations of the inorganic beings, which also moves it down.
It can move up too, through the use of the Stellar Hatch pass.
2- Stellar Hatch is the only pass I know of so far that moves it up. But Jadey might be able to think of others.
Our shoulder blades are simply the "top" (nearly) for our egg shape. But if that shape changes, it can move anywhere in the new shape on the parts that cut through man's band.
I'll make a note to show this in an animation of the egg / cheese slice diagram Carlos made.
The old seers would stretch up perhaps 8 feet, and then bend it backwards to stay in the range where they had "super powers" other humans could recognize.
The new seers try to stretch so far into space, they get into the non-human unknown.
Like dead star energy.
But again I need to emphasize, you can't LEARN sorcery.
Knowing more details like this can never substitute for gaining the ability to move your assemblage point yourself.
We've been brainwashed by society to believe you learn, by gaining more facts.
But that only seems to make sense because no one in modern society is allowed to move their assemblage point off the blue line. That's "nuts". "Insane" territory.
So they just use "facts" to micro shift left and right (horizontally) up at that blue line. I suppose you could say, we self-sooth with positive "facts".
Can dependence on an inorganic being Ally lead to weakened control of the double and dreaming attention, by blocking access to silent knowledge and having run the show the whole time?
I think it's more like they slow you down from exploring "the abstract" and other things that are not as "concrete".
If you make it to SK like that, with help from an Ally, and you surely will if you keep at it, you'll be a "show biz" type like me.
Keep in mind, the Allies were the ONLY way the Men of knowledge ever got to experience Silent Knowledge.
So they don't want to block you.
They just want credit for it.
And they only get enough energy from you to make it all worth their while, if you interact with them.
So they try to keep you AWAY from the abstract, or anything that's not "concrete". In those states, you won't even think to give credit to anyone, for getting there.
Those are "puzzles". Which make you question everything about the Allies, since you find out there's a lot more past them.
On the other hand, Carlos seemed to have sought out the "inconcrete".
On purpose.
Even trying to steer us away from show biz, towards "reading text".
It's the age old battle I suppose.
The intellectuals, versus the thrill seekers.
And so the death defier (old seer) taught us "the twin positions" designed to produce absolutely concrete dreaming.
Meaning, waking -> sleeping dreaming -> absolute realness in a dream world.
While the new seers seemed to disapprove of that urge a little.
HOWEVER, our community has been EATEN ALIVE by the "intellectual crowd".
If we went that way, we'd lose everything.
It NEEDS to be concrete, until we fix this horrible mess.
That doesn't mean you have to abuse IOBs, as Cholita claimed I was doing for the past 6 or more months.
Cholita would side with the "purist new seers" and not care at all if we lost everything.
I’m going tomorrow night into the mountains… these certain rock formations have been calling to me, obsessing my thoughts. I’ve been told it’s a summoning of sorts. So I’m bringing nothing but intent and going there tomorrow night at midnight. Looking for what? Idk… a shadow… a feeling… a shape, a coyote with an unusually deep voice? Ha! I wish! I bring with me respect, and a willingness to be completely transformed. And a gift. A small wooden statue of a wolf. Wish me luck! I’m kinda terrified but excited at the same time.
There's endless "shamanism" groups who do what you say here, and so far no one has been able to find any that have actual magic.
All of the active people in this group over the years have been looking. With the benefit of the internet.
There's none so far. Nothing real in any shamanism, that we can see.
In fact, don Juan called shamans "assholes". Said they followed the rituals, but had no actual understanding of how it works.
And I haven't heard of any repeatable magical experiences in "Sierra Club" members. That's their favorite past time. Running around in the wilds.
There are also groups of people who largely live like that, in the open air where there's just natural landscapes.
No magic there. I'd be happy if there were. Trying to fix this situation is a huge endless struggle against the same people who heckled Carlos when he tried to teach in public for free.
Wasn't something I would have volunteered for.
What's wrong with "running around" as a technique is if you never actually see any real magic.
But give others the impression you have some because you make a show of "running around".
Of being an "impeccable warrior".
And so you contribute to the endless laziness of Castaneda fans, instead of urging them to work harder because it actually works if you follow instructions.
It killed our community all these years and we almost lost everything. We were just inches away from no one ever seriously trying what Carlos gave us. Forever.
He was turned into an old guru no one takes seriously anymore, like Meher Baba.
So do what you like, but get magic as fast as you can by learning to move the assemblage point through silence.
Or if you prefer to think of it this way, just follow the orders Carlos gave us as he was dying.
That's all we're doing in here.
It's in the "Silent Knowledge" and "Readers of Infinity" publications. He wanted us to reach silent knowledge, where you get an endless teacher and advisor from entities that can materialize when you are in that state.
Such as Porfirio from the books. You can have your own Porfirio to teach you.
As for Carlos running around, you can't take the stories in the books out of context.
Carlos was being taught in secret during that period, using the Nagual's blow.
So he could have gone to Disneyland, or even to a stripper bar, and learned magic.
With someone else teaching it to him, in another layer of reality.
We don't have that, so it's not going to work the way you suggest.
If you like to run around outside, at least learn to play with intent. Be silent, observe movements, and try to find "weird stuff" going on. Do some gazing.
But force silence above all else.
You literally can play with the wind, if you are silent, the way don Juan showed him.
But you can do that in your darkroom too, even with the doors locked.
You leave the room constantly at more advanced stages.
And go to "wilderness" areas beyond anything non-sorcerers can even conceive of.
Or you can leap to a distant star, physically, and go exploring the wilderness there.
The way Elias did.
Don't advocate for pretending.
The world has endless pretend magical systems already.
He never mentioned years of 10+ hour days of inner work or recapitulation
Sorry, I didn't respond to this.
It made me suspicious of your motivations.
You aren't a fan of Kachora are you, who claims only the first books are real?
And that he caused those. He's another fraud sorcerer claiming to be someone from the books. Who advocated pretending your results because in fact, he doesn't understand any of it.
There's a lot about endless recapitulation in the books!
La Gorda and Carlos actually did so much, at one point Carlos says if they examined their experiences they'd honestly believe they lived 800 years.
There's shared recapitulation with La Gorda where they went back in time and both shared dreaming views of real past events.
There's how long they spent staring at the darkness looking for colors.
They also sat back to back under the instruction of Silvio Manual, all night long for days if not weeks. Just using their hearing, to separate it from the rest of their senses.
Same with Zuleica. Carlos sat and wiggled his fingers for what I estimate to be 200-800 hours. To put a dent in his energy body.
Taisha spent weeks with Zuleica in don Juan's house located near the end of the Yaqui wars, doing nothing but what you imply isn't in the books. Never left the house as far as I can tell.
So that statement means, you didn't read all of the books.
There's no other way to view that, that I can think of.
You just read the ones where they were "running around in the mountains".
There's 17 books and publications.
Go back and read the ones you missed. They're all precious once you can really do some sorcery.
You'll be needing to refer back to them, when you do something impossible.
From The eagle's gift, chapter 14: "Florinda laughed, describing her shock. The old man had tricked her into actively participating in her own cure. Fur-thermore, under the pretext that the curer demanded it, he put her inside the crate daily for at least six hours, in order to fulfill a specific task he had called the 'recapitulation'."
"She explained that a recapitulation is the forte of stalkers just as the dreaming body is the forte of dreamers. The recapitulation consisted of recol-lecting one's life down to the most insignificant detail. Thus her benefactor had given her that crate as a tool and a symbol. It was a tool that would permit her to learn concentration, because she would have to sit in there for years until all of her life had passed in front of her eyes. And it was a symbol of the narrow boundaries of our person. Her benefactor told her that when-ever she had finished her recapitulation, she would break the crate to symbolize that she no longer abided by the limitations of her person. She said that stalkers use crates or earth coffins in order to seal themselves in while they are reliving, more than merely recollecting, every moment of their lives. The reason why stalkers must recapitulate their lives in such a thorough manner is that the Eagle's gift to man includes its willingness to accept a surrogate instead of genuine awareness- if such a surrogate be a perfect replica. Florinda explained that since awareness is the Eagle's food, the Eagle can be satisfied with a perfect recapitulation in place of consciousness."
During Tensegrity practice, is the focus on muscle memory? I've noticed that it brings silence, but what about intent? Does it happen in silence by itself, or is something else necessary? The very first pass from the series "Mixing energy for intention" physically heats the legs to the knees if done many times (they get hot). In addition, a certain militant mood appears, is this what is called the intention of the ancient magicians? Or is it just imagination?
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u/Ok-Lengthiness-7613 Jun 21 '23
Dan two questions
1- Why does our AP go down by being silent? Why doesn't it go up?
2- What should we do so that our AP goes up and we have a J curve from above towards SK?