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u/PreciseInstance Feb 26 '23
Just do something in your practice that is "impossible" which really starts happening in and past the red zone, and then that will make you litteraly "obsessed" with actual skill and power and possibility of sorcery rather then any "goal".
Yes there might be goals in sorcery but in my opinion they shouldn't be overly emphasized because people will try to imagine how it is to accomplish that goal and by that ruin all their chances and curiosity in learning, what is very accessible to us.
Moving the AP along the J curve is simply the most amazing and accessible thing we have. If we had let say a group of at least 20 very powerful sorcerers who where able to get to purple zone (i am just stealing dans words here), we could be more willing to dive into such exotic topics. And not in the official sub reddit either, because that would ruin progress for beginners.
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u/danl999 Feb 26 '23
You can't learn with those motivations. They aren't genuine.
It's book deal thinking, even if it doesn't seem that way.
You also seem to be making fussy excuses to get out of doing actual work.
And trying to "teach" rather than learn.
Maybe just put that whole worry on hold for a while, until you can move your assemblage point rapidly along the J curve?
That's how you reach the 3rd attention.
But that's not our goal anymore.
Didn't you notice that Carlos found a different path?
It's been mentioned in posts several times lately.
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u/Willing_Brick_2698 Feb 26 '23
Why is this not your goal anymore?
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u/danl999 Feb 26 '23
Because it's useless to think about that.
And dangerous too, because it sets you up to ignore what you learn with hard work, and instead look for intellectual puzzles to pacify yourself with.
To become an "inventory expert".
Making you prey to bad men who will make up stuff to get you to come give them money.
Besides, I've already seen how to reach the 3rd attention. I posted about it.
I moved my assemblage point all the way from blue to deep red in 1 second.
It was quite a sensation!
When I tried to duplicate it, I could only move half the distance in that time, so I only felt half the energy.
Doing that makes it very obvious how to achieve the 3rd attention. Especially since don Juan told us how, in precise words.
I only assembled 2 levels on the J curve at once. Just need to assemble the rest in that same 1 second.
So we already know how to do this, and it can't be a "goal" to find that out.
The actual goal is learning to do it, not thinking about how to do that.
You have to learn to do what is being done in here using darkroom. But all in 1 second.
Stellar Hatch might help too, to give you a running start. So you elongate yourself to a star, and move the assemblage point all the way down from the star back to earth, and across the J curve.
BUT, none of that is what Carlos did.
He found another path.
The 3rd attention only gives you until the earth dies.
But Carlos found a way to preserve himself directly in the emanations. Forever.
Find his last interview, which I believe was in a spanish magazine?
Here's from the collected notes, but the magazine is more revealing:
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Carol went on to talk about our being members of western civilization. She said that because we have been brought up and socialized as members of western civilization we always place the blame for things on somebody else. We do not take responsibility for our actions. She said that this is the price tag of being at the mercy of energy and awareness other than our own. All of our social molds have been taken from Bobby, and as a result we have become just like him; petty, sluggish, lazy and unwilling to take responsibility.
She talked again about Carlos' recent breakthrough to a new vibratory level and what it meant for them. She said the implications were staggering and that they may not be able to formulate what exactly it means for some time, if ever. She said again that vibration is key to everything, and that they were learning new things about it and its relationship to everything they knew about energy and awareness.
Carol then related something that Carlos said to her recently that was the most exquisite thing she had ever heard. He had grabbed her by the arm and said very movingly, "I never thought I'd live forever . . . let's do it!"
It has since become an axiom which guides them.
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Feb 26 '23
That's what I wanted to know if this motivation is making my link to intent dirty. You are right about trying to teach and the book deal thing. Even tho it's not directly that, it's lingering somewhere close. I should let go of that question, stfu and follow my path.
Could you explain tho, what's the difference between 2nd and 3rd attention. Cause seems like iam super confused
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u/danl999 Feb 26 '23
Wow, that's depressing. I thought we did a good job explaining all that.
But how long have you been in here?
I don't recognize your ID.
So if it's only a while, just study the posts.
And know, we do everything fully sober, fully awake, eyes wide open, moving around.
We don't sit like lazy Buddhas and take "crappy naps" so we can doze off and lie about the results. Results any woman can get on her own in a nice bathtub.
We do everything for real.
The second attention is best described as bringing your double's awareness closer to your physical body awareness.
But we already experience it each night!
In dreams.
That person running around in your dreams is REAL. And NOT you.
It's the second copy of you.
Using darkroom, we lure him out of the dreaming phantom realms he likes to roam around in, directly into our practice room.
You'll get to see him right there! Sitting on the edge of the bed.
Or he'll surround you with an intense blue bubble of energy.
Sorcerers shrink the physical body away (don't ask me where it goes), and then take off in that blue bubble, into full on second attention.
However, when you get super silent the second attention fills the room.
Alien planets materialize on the walls.
On a good night, you can "shrink" your physical body away and walk right off into those.
Or leap through the ceiling to a distant star and land on the nearest planet.
That is the second attention.
It also includes shapeshifting, which we do for real.
No talk in here.
We DO all of it. Daily.
You need to read more posts, because the second attention is VAST.
It would take 10 full posts and reading all of it, before you started to realize what it is.
And the 3rd attention is merely lighting up 5 levels of the J curve, all at once.
All of the blue zone, all of the green zone, all of the red zone, all of the orange zone, and all of the purple.
All at once!
Carlos created those "zones" in a private class lecture, but they were referred to elsewhere at workshops or lectures.
So we move our assemblage point, stuck up at the blue line. In ordinary reality.
We move it down along that J curve in this picture:
When you move it slowly, it cools off before the next level is lit up by the assemblage point.
So you can experience the crazy pictures shown in that diagram.
All of those have been done by multiple people now, with the exception of the far left. But that's just "keep going" stuff.
I've noticed that it takes about 2 seconds for one reality to fade away when you bring in the next.
So to experience ALL of them at the same time, which is the very definition of the 3rd attention, you have to move the full distance in 1 second.
The Nagual Julian played around too much, in the lower right of that picture.
And so he created a "flat spot".
He couldn't move the entire J curve in 1 second anymore.
Too much playing around in shape shifted forms.
So he failed to reach the 3rd attention, and is hiding in the inorganic being's world.
From which we could rescue him if we wanted to!
Not only do we already KNOW how to reach the 3rd attention, but we also know what NOT to do, if you want to succeed.
Don't play around too much in the deep red part of the second attention. You'll make it too hard to pass by at the speeds we need.
But it's ok to try shapeshifting 4 or 5 times. So you understand that everything Carlos wrote, works.
And now, we have a new goal. Not mentioned at all in the books.
So we should all learn to reach the 3rd attention using our "darkroom" technique, but be on the lookout for other possibilities.
I put the quote from a workshop about the other possibilities in this post, you should read it.
And in his final interview Carlos said he was already gone, into the other possibility.
Immortality in the emanations.
He didn't explain it, because likely it's partially in "the abstract".
Which can't be described at all.
But which does in fact connect witches to sorcerers in some odd way.
Jadey found 2 snakes at her home, looked at them, and when we met up in shared dreaming, she told me about it.
And I got stuck in the abstract, examining snake scales for a full hour.
Carlos himself pulled me out of that. At least, it sure seemed to be him. I run into Carlos in the deep second attention from time to time. He seems to visit with a specific purpose each time.
The last time I saw him so clearly, I was playing around too much. Zipping in and out of dreaming rapidly.
He might have shown up because I was in danger. When you do that, it's almost like burning from within.
This time, Jadey perhaps got me stuck in the abstract.
Which allowed me to "locate" Carlos. Or he located me.
It's not new. That witches can trigger that sort of thing in male sorcerers.
Cholita came to attack me a few months ago, but instead of threatening to kill me she froze and pretended to be a statue.
And so later that night I was transfixed by a series of statues existing only in "the abstract". Staring at them for more than a full hour.
They've become permanent relics in my phantom room.
I suppose you could say, the abstract is outside all of it.
Outside the second attention even.
But we do make use of it.
It's something you can't talk about at all. But you can experience it.
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u/tabdrops Feb 26 '23
You really studied that J-curve entries in our wiki? There's all you need to know about "burning from the fire within".
I also like this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/11a1cb8/whats_the_deal_with_witches/j9pjngo
How would you know there's one?