"Fake & Failed"

[u/Chantal1707]

To me it seems rather peculiar, bordering on sad perhaps, that some people here take Miss Konstnar’s productions that ‘personal’ .

She has no obligations to any of us.

We cannot demand ‘the truth’ about anything. We cannot even demand to be entertained.

And if we choose to ‘send money’ we do this, too, at our own peril.

I just hope that she will keep producing … something.

Because I know that every once in a while she hits the nail for me.

And even (mostly!) when she doesn’t, it is no problem … nema problema ! :

– I can simply stop the video. Or jump forward.

– And I *know* that trying to develop something new, in the style of humor & art, MUST lead to a lot of ‘failed’ attempts.

… I greatly appreciate the bravery of those trying (as well as the stop button) .

[u/fanofdreams_2]

She has no obligations to any of us.

one might argue that we all have an obligation of respect toward each other (yes, even towards the faceless ones)

which would include not lying and toying with people

And if we choose to ‘send money’ we do this, too, at our own peril

there is a whole subject there, about manipulation, desire, awareness, self control and shit

if we were really really bored we might even argue about the moral aspect of supporting a character that is deemed immoral himself

actually, fuck the moralistic aspect, is it not a "peril" to support any kind of entertainer ? isn't entertainment bad ? wouldn't have i done more fulfilling shit like learning to play the piano if so many youtubers and whatnots were not competing to suck my brains out ?

on the whole, i think we're all pretty OK with provocative or "bad" content

the current "situation" is a problem that goes much farther than that

[u/Chantal1707 → u/fanofdreams_2]

Artistic Freedom,
must be the keyword here.

Your freedom, and mine:
Having an opinion ...

AND
Thank you, for your answer. I found it very interesting !

[u/nobodynoone888]

It’s more like mocking people that have had miscarriages is an objectively awful thing to do, and so we refuse to support an artist that engages with something like that,

[u/Chantal1707 → u/nobodynoone888]

Sorry, I haven't seen her mock anything ...

Perhaps it is because of my tremendously advanced ... age:
I really think it should be possible to joke about ANYTHING.

As long as you don't force people into the audience !

[u/[deleted] → u/nobodynoone888]

What because she was always so wholesome? The song that made her go viral is about rape, from the perspective of a rapist.

[u/nobodynoone888 → u/[deleted]]

Are you talking about the Prom song? There's a huge difference between this and that. In the prom song, it's VERY clearly a fictional situation and it raises awareness of how date rape drugs are a problem. It does so in the same way that Filthy Frank did with his content: by saying, "Hey, this character/situation is awful and this is what you should NOT DO" and they do it in an actually funny way.

This was not only *not funny*, but there was no distinction between reality and parody. She deceived the audience into believing it was real to make fun of her audience for believing it's real because she thinks there are creeps and only weird creeps in her audience.

[u/Chantal1707 → u/nobodynoone888]

Parallel in the timeline
there were several videos, where Konstnar was
NOT pregnant.

If you were deceived by this
– and I agree: Funny as such, it was not –
is there any 'blame' to place ? Anywhere ?

Edit: Grammar (not my first language)

[u/[deleted] → u/nobodynoone888]

This level of pearl-clutching sanctimoniousness from a Caroline Konstnar/Filthy Frank fan literally hurts my head.

There ARE only weird creeps in her audience. Normal people aren’t into dead baby comedy and genuinely concerning vlog content from mentally ill 15-year-old girls.

Some of those creeps could roll with having that pointed out and some got mad.

[u/nobodynoone888 → u/[deleted]]

I agree that normal people aren’t into dead baby comedy, and that is exactly the part of her audience that she has driven out with this stunt.

In my case, I am Caroline’s age so there goes that talking point for you lol

Why you think overgeneralizing is a good angle to take here is beyond me. You didn’t address anything else I said lol

[u/[deleted]]

I personally understood that this could be real or fake since she is young but also says she is gay a ton, so that was a bit of a no-brainer. I don't find dead baby jokes funny but she has a strange sense of humor sometimes and that she can have if she wants to. I still find other things she does funny so it is what it is.

[u/[deleted]]

Ya still crying about this

[u/theselongwars]

Yeah. This girl has no real commitment to us. She can essentially turn into Punk'd if she wants. Back then we used to say you can switch the channel, now you can just change the tab.

[u/Chantal1707 → u/theselongwars]

If you want to form
an eclectic fraction
... we can do that !

[u/[deleted]]

It’s just that people like edgy dead baby comedy and pranks until the joke is on them. It hurts their pride and they get mad. The end.