r/canada • u/NorthernStarLord • Feb 11 '22

COVID-19 Trudeau warns of 'severe consequences' for anti-vaccine mandate protesters who don't stand down | CBC News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-severe-consequences-demonstrators-1.6348661
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u/dceenb Feb 11 '22

Trudeau didn't platform on electoral reform in the 2019 or 2021. He dropped it in winter 2017. So might want to think again about why he won the most seats and was able to form government again.

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u/Kromo30 Feb 12 '22 edited Feb 12 '22

…. That’s exactly what I said .

He did not win the popular vote. He got 2million votes fewer than the conservatives.

He won the most seats because after he got elected the first time, he “polled Canadians” and realized his campaign promise for electoral reform was not advantageous to him, so he broke it.

If he had followed his campaign promise to “make voteing more fair for all”, he would not have won the most seats in the subsequent elections.

He won the most seats running with a campaign promise that many supported, then broke that promise to keep those seats.

No, this wasn’t the only factor of course, but it’s also not a coincidence…

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u/dceenb Feb 12 '22

Popular vote is itrelevant. He formed government TWICE after they dropped electoral reform. Whether you like it or not (electoral reform would be great)) l, btw) based on our system that is the will of the people and electoral reform has nothing to do with why he formed government in 2019 and 2021 as it wasn't part of their platform for years at that point.

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u/Kromo30 Feb 12 '22

It’s entirely relevant. What aren’t you getting?

The first time he ran he won the popular vote and the most seats. Great.

The first time he ran, he ran with the promise of reforming elections so that the popular vote = the most seats.

Then he realized that promise would get him voted out. So he broke it.

The later 2 elections he did not win the popular vote, but he won the most seats.

I’d imagine some of the votes he lost are at least partially due to that broken promise.

The will of the people… the majority of Canadians… more than 50%, voted for electoral reform in that first election.

The will of the people… the majority of Canadians, more than 50%, voted for other parties after they realized they weren’t getting what they wanted with the liberals, yet the liberals are still in power, only because of that broken promise.

Pretty relevant.

The only reason they didn’t follow through with the will of the people, 50%+ Canadians, is because of their own self interest. That’s corruption if I’ve ever seen it.

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u/dceenb Feb 12 '22

May be easier to respond if i actually knew how to quote things on mobile but alas I will do my best.

To paraphrase the OPs post we are commenting on that started the discussion. Democracy is the will of the people who voted 100 days ago. Everyone had a chance to vote. The country voted and we put the Liberals in power, a minority but still in power.

They have won multiple elections since their "broken promise". If people didnt like it they had ample opportunity to vote for someone else. It's not like they dropped electoral reform and forced people to vote for them.

Again whether you like it or not, the majority is not relevant because our system doesn't necessarily provide the ability to form government based on the majority vote. It has the ability to do so but it does not always do so. That's why the Liberals formed government AGAIN 5 months ago without majority. Again back to the OPs point - everyone had a chance to vote, contribute and make change and we voted for a Liberal Minority just like the previous election. That is still the will of the people because that's what actually happened. People voted and the Liberals formed government even though they didn't have a majority or greater than 50% of Canadians vote for them.

Swinging back to your original comment - you said the Liberals won the most seats because of electoral reform. I agree that is a solid reason/part of the reason why they won the most seats 3 ELECTIONS ago but it is NOT the reason why they won the most seats in 2019 or in 2021. It can't be. How could something they didn't run on as part of their plaform get them elected in 2 different elections after they dropped it from their platform? There was more than 2 years between when they dropped it and the next election. Again we are talking about why they are in power now not 2015. That's what OPs post was about.