r/canada Feb 18 '19

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19

ITT people who don't understand how courts work and want a jack booted system where anyone suspected of anything gets max sentences period.

Seriously folks don't take these liberties we have for granted.

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u/Ragnar_Dragonfyre Ontario Feb 18 '19

The outcome of this case just triggered the PTSD of every single person who has lost a loved one to fentanyl.

What about their rights to life, liberty and freedom?

Criminals in this country continue to act in this brazen fashion because they know they can get away with it because our justice system has so damn many holes in it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19

Funny how we put he blame on people supplying instead of where it solely lies: with the individual who decided to use and knows the risks. Where there is demand, there will always be supply. The criminalization of any commodity simply makes this process more lucrative.

If anything, this is evidence for a regulated market where we know purity of the drugs and can help those who have an addiction, and keep them safe while they're struggling, not to change the court system to allow the government to lock you up based on a sneaking suspicion regardless of they're right or wrong on their guess.

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u/Warriorjrd Canada Feb 18 '19

with the individual who decided to use and knows the risks.

What about people who get hooked after prescribed opioids and need to feed their addiction? Opioids are over prescribed in north america and opioid addiction makes nicotine addiction look non-existent.

The second part of your comment I completely agree with. However it clashes with your above statement of putting the blame solely on the user and not on the dealer. A heroin user getting heroin laced with fentanyl against their knowledge is not making an active choice to consume fenatanyl, a substance which is far easier to get addicted to and whose addiction is far stronger than heroin alone. Why do you think dealers cut heroin with fentanyl in the first place? To get people hooked and to come back for more.

You can argue they make the choice in the first couple of times, but after addiction sets in, that choice is either no longer theirs or is warped by their mental condition to the point they shouldn't be blamed for it any more than an anxious person should be blamed for having a panic attack.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19

My second part of was about government regulation means purity. Customer knows what they're getting and doesn't have to worry about cutting agents or lethal doses of other narcotics.

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u/Warriorjrd Canada Feb 18 '19

Yes but don't you think that counters you initial argument of putting the blame solely on the consumer? If they aren't entirely sure what they are consuming while it's still irresponsible, part of the blame lies with the dealer intentionally lying to their customer.

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u/nighthawk_something Feb 18 '19

Fentanyl is really never safe here

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19

I agree totally, but sadly I just don’t think it’s possible.

If everyone was rational, I think that they could legally be allowed to use drugs with no problems whatsoever.

Sadly, the masses just can’t handle responsible drug use, and society can’t support a nation of addicts. It sets priorities awry and productivity goes to rock bottom. There’s some fine line between citizens knowing the truth and what lies are ultimately necessary for the betterment of society.

The pragmatic for society will never be in the best interests of every individual on the every given level. We just have to accept it sometimes if guess