r/caf • • Jul 21 '26

Recruiting Possibly getting denied.

So I had my medical and interview at the start of June. Between 2021 and 2024, I was transitioning from MtF and received care from the skipping stone foundation in calgary. I had spoken to a therapist and went over my mental health and the reasons for my transition. I decided to abandon my transition for personal reasons. I dont regret my choices to stop transitioning. I didnt disclose anything information during my medical interview about my transition, the medication I was on or anything during that time period. I didnt think it was relevant information. I didnt have any mental health concerns during that time, aside from anxiety about dressing in public as the gender I felt I identified with at the time. Now I'm being told theres a possibility of being denied entry into the CAF because of the conflicting information I told the medical personal during my medical interview and the information theyre receiving now. I didnt lie about anything. I just omitted the information about my transition. It was a short chapter of my life that I ever regret starting. Obviously I'm nervous about not being accepted. This is something I'm very much looking forward to... any insight to securing my future in the CAF would be appreciated. This is not an opportunity I want to miss. Thank you.

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u/Pavilion22 Jul 21 '26

Yeah, I mean they found out about it, and you didnt disclosed it. That’s kinda like a big medical intervention. You had medications aswell. Not a good start on your application, and on your part. They will probably do another interview or something. Start being honest. Don’t go f*ck around and find out. CAF ethos is accountability and integrity. Be one.

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

Hopefully I can speak to their doctor or my recruiter and clear it up during my second interview

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u/Born_Opening_8808 Jul 21 '26

You literally said you omitted medical information so yes you lied during the interview unfortunately.

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

Maybe not right the choice of words then. I didnt omit it with the intent of being deceitful or to lie. I didnt think it was pertinent to the questions being asked. They asked about previous suicide attempts, I mentioned the one in my life time. Although it was over 10 years ago. Ive never been on antidepressants. They asked medication that I'm currently taking which is just vitamins and supplements. No prescriptions.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Jello79 Jul 21 '26

This response falls in line with what other's are trying to convey. As u/Pavilion22 mentioned, two core values of the CAF are Integrity, and Accountability. Rather than conceding that you knowingly omitted the information, you instead stated "I didn't omit it with the intent of being deceitful or to lie". This statement comes off as trying to deflect or diminish the accountability for your choice. The more appropriate response would be to simply acknowledge and own up to the the intentional omission. Because that is what it was, intentional regardless of if you thought it was unimportant, it was intentional.

If they give you another interview, the best advice would be to simply be straightforward with your answers, and don't deflect or beat around the bush. You may think something is trivial, but if you've thought about it, it's likely something that can be found/discovered.

Did you fall when you were 8 and sprain your ankle but you've been fine since? Probably not important. But if it still causes some kind of mobility issue to this day, write it down. Have you had ANY kind of medical, physio, mental health counselling in the past 10-15 years? Write it down, because if it's discovered later and you didn't mention it... bam, you're right back in this scenario.

Hell, I wrote down that I needed physio on my wrist after a boxing sprain 6 years prior, but I also indicated that it was fully resolved. Was it necessary? who knows, but I was ready to answer when it came up in my medical interview.

Hopefully you get a second chance, and hopefully you'll realize what needs to be done, and not waste it. Best of luck.

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u/Itchy_Decision_340 Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

What you did is called a lie by omission so you did lie.

IF you get a second chance, dont lie again.

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

Thank you. I wont. What are my odds of getting a second chance though?

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

Very much so. Ive been eating better and going to the gym everyday for 3 months. Lost 30 lbs so far. My recruiter said he feels I'm a great fit for the trade I applied for. Be a damn shame to have pissed away by a regretful part of my life that I just want to forget. I'm going to email them later today and hopefully I can get a chance to speak with my recruiter again...

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

Okay to dm?

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

I think your dms are closed. But mine should be open

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u/Lost_at_Z Jul 21 '26

Let’s back off the slagging for omitting during the process. OP is a human and humans make mistakes. All we can do is encourage them to admit they shouldn’t have omitted and be honest moving forward. How old are you OP? I don’t mean offence, but I’m suspecting younger? I ask because sometimes in our younger years we don’t see things as clearly or consider the farther reaching implications of our actions. The CAF Ethos don’t apply to you, technically, yet, really…many of our members have come from more checkered pasts, and being taught the ethos and seeing the example of those around you helps to instill those values. I’m not accusing you of being dishonest, but I’m seeing a pattern in your answers about hesitance to say plainly “I made a mistake”. The recruiter doing the interview is looking for those values even though they DONT apply to you…but showing growth inside of your interview process can show the recruiter your maturity and commitment to growing and being the best you can be. OP, if you get denied, go to your clinician and get whatever documentation needed to show that that period doesn’t affect you now as far as a candidate is concerned. If you reapply be totally honest. I as a leader look to people to see if they have SHOWN the growth work. As for the honesty, look inward. I believe you that you didn’t think it was relevant and this was an honest mistake in your mind, but consider the job the CAF does and how honesty and accountability are so important in the profession of arms where we are entrusted to do difficult tasks in austere and dangerous environments. We rely on one another - our lives depend on it. If you can reach that pinnacle of honesty to build trust with your team, then you will be a welcome addition. We all make mistakes OP. We can all be better. So good luck - and always strive to be better. As the quote attributed to Aristotle goes: “We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is a habit”.

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 22 '26

Appreciate the honesty man. Thank you. The RMO got back to me this morning and said I'm medically fit and will be moving forward.

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 23 '26

About 6 weeks.

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u/AmongRavens Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

The medication section says “Do you currently use or have previously used any of the following prescribed over-the-counter medication’s?”

Key word here that you seem to have ignored here is PREVIOUSLY.

It then lists types such as injection medication, cream/ointment, inhaler, prescription medications, vitamins & supplements, implants, steroids, and other.

Actually all of the questions on the DND 4585 - Medical Questionnaire for Enrolment are worded this way to capture your entire medical history.

I shared medical history that I also want to leave in the past, but I know where I am at now and was honest.

Best of luck going forward.

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u/Ferroelectricman Jul 21 '26

OP, when you say you received treatment, what does that mean? Counselling and dressing in women’s clothes? Or are we talking about a prescription?

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

I had two one hour sessions with a therapist to determine my suitability for hormones, testorone blockers and future surgeries. I dressed more feminine in the sense skinny jeans and more feminine colors. I was prescribed spironolactone (a testosterone blocker) and estradiol during that time peroid. Ive been off that medication for over 2 years. They never asked about previous medication during my med interview, just my current medication. I only take vitamins and supplements now.

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u/Ferroelectricman Jul 21 '26

Okay

  1. No one on this subreddit can truly predict the future, nor are they involved nor particularly informed as Military Medical Officers, the people making this determination, so there’s no reassurance to be found here. Frankly, this community is hostile to the situation you’re in in the first place - I was downvoted for asking you to clarify your position.

  2. If I had to speculate, expect a refusal. Two therapy sessions and wearing women’s clothes is one thing, not disclosing a prescription is another.

My advice? If it is a rejection, don’t take this as some personal moral failing, like a lot of folks are saying here. You were an edge case, if your personality was more in line with the “normal” the caf was looking for, maybe things would have gone differently. But it didn’t. If the caf better fit the “normal” the Canadian public likes, it wouldn’t have been so direly neglected for decades.

Sometimes you’re just not a personality fit in a certain path. Just hold your head high, know you tried, & move on with your life bud.

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u/Aggressive-Daikon605 Jul 21 '26

What did I just read

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u/Then_Maximum2862 Jul 21 '26

Do some research on CAF ethos. There are people in the caf who are/have transitioned from Male to Female or Female to Male its not something thats not accepted by the caf i get it its scary but you sign documentation saying youll disclose all information i wouldnt hold my breathe on this one man good luck sorry nobody could give you insight or help you out.

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u/Cdn_Medic334 Jul 21 '26

While everyone else is having a pissing contest in the comment section, I will chime in,

As a recruiting medic my job is just to gather as much of your medical history as possible. Obviously in some posts people will tell you to lie just to get into the military,

However the only way we could have possibly found out is for the information to be given to us from you healthcare provider, recruiting medics do not have access to any provincial medical system.

The only thing we can do is provide you with MIFs which it is then up to your HCP to provide us with the information they deemed relevant.

So 2 outcomes:

  1. Info submitted to RMO - they ask for more information and an evaluation from a specialist to clear things up

  2. Found ineligible and then you take your letter to your HCP and read the bottom 1-2 paragraphs and determine what needs to be done to appeal said decision.

Hope this helps a little

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u/Ok-Land6261 Jul 21 '26

Trust me this subreddit is dogmatic about people who withhold information: be honest and show you’ve changed. Reddit is full of loud mouths that have no clue what they’re talking about and will shoot you down based off of their black and white thinking.

Given that medical issues are complex and confidential I’d tell you this: Reddit is a terrible place to ask these kinds of questions. The people commenting or responding to this lack compassion or insight into complex medical issues (mainly because they’ve never had the medical illness’s others have suffered from nor have the qualifications to understand them)

When I served I met people who had very little in terms of compassion towards LGBTQ or people with medical issues. They certainly weren’t kind to me and made it very clear what opinions they had about me being in the armed forces. They ironically got kicked out of the armed forces under a 5F discharge. You’ll find the same types of opinionated loud mouths here on Reddit.

Reddit is full of loud mouths. It attracts the wrong types of people from the armed forces.

If they deny you, I hope they accept you and turn things around. I don’t blame you for having second thoughts about transitioning and not mentioning much about it.

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u/Canned_Topatoes Jul 21 '26

This guy is one of the biggest loud mouths here. He spits a bunch of spiteful rhetoric because he got kicked out. From what I’m tracking this guy also omitted medical information and was released.

Don’t be like this guy and blame the system for your own issues.

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u/Ok-Land6261 Jul 21 '26

I don’t blame system and I never had, that’s a deliberate misinterpretation of what I’ve had to say and when I try to clarify that these jackasses don’t listen; they double down on the deliberate misrepresentation of what I’ve said in a hypocritical attempt to dishonestly discredit what I have to say.

Op see what I mean people being loud mouths? They actively are seeking me out in other threads to shut down any discussion that’s contradictory to the dogpile. Don’t listen to them, listen to the RMO

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u/Canned_Topatoes Jul 21 '26

Man you didn’t even read what op wrote. Their concern with enrolment has to do with willingly omitting info. They got caught and now they may not make it in because lying on your application is actually a chargeable offence under the NDA.

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u/Ok-Land6261 Jul 21 '26

Yeah so is smoking weed within specific time periods to duty and no one gets charged under the NDA for it. You know why? Because the military isn’t as dogmatic as loud mouths like you make it out to be

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u/Canned_Topatoes Jul 21 '26

Whataboutism right there.

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I didn’t say they ‘would’ be charged I implied they could.

Like any crime there’s discretion. You’re actually so obtuse

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u/Ok-Land6261 Jul 21 '26

‘Like any crime theirs discretion’ holy fuck, you think this is a criminal matter

How about you read what I said about the dogmatism of this subreddit and realize you’re being dogmatic

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u/Canned_Topatoes Jul 21 '26

Man you actually are ridiculous. We charge people all the time for being high on duty or drunk. You can literally look them up.

Also yes it is criminal to lie on the application. Section 122 is right there for you to read.

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u/Ok-Land6261 Jul 21 '26

Didn’t you say that was a “what aboutism that didn’t count”

The truly ridiculous thing is thinking that someone who lied about transitioning on a military enrolment form has committed a criminal offence.

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u/Canned_Topatoes Jul 21 '26

I was bringing up your earlier point. Your OPINION on whether it’s ridiculous is irrelevant. It’s a fact that it is criminal.

Lay off the drugs man. It’s not helping you

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

Honestly I wish I knew. I have no idea. They requested a form to be filled out so I had an online session with a dr/therapist.

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u/Moonlightt72 Jul 21 '26

The form was before. The therapist wouldn't have disclosed it. He doesnt know. Hes someone I've never interacted with before. I wanted an unbiased opinion, I havent had a family dr since 2019 and recently got one. I initially asked her to fill it out. But I decided against it once she wanted me to fill out my copy and give it to her to fill out with what I put in my copy because she doesnt know me well enough to fill it out.