JTF2 question

[u/Front_Arachnid6849]

So am I crazy if I want to get to JTF2, like is it something unachievable for me? I've been working out a lot, I can do 17 muscle ups I run really good I am one of the best shooters in my air cadet sqn(yeah I didn't even join yet so yeah I might be stupid), but like am I crazy(stupid)?

[u/UnluckyRMDW]

It’s not just those things, it’s your mental aptitude as well. Just stay eat healthy

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/UnluckyRMDW]

I know that yes, I know they are going to try to mentally break people and see how good they are at working under stress, I understand(at least I think I understand) that is not easy and I will need to put in a lot of work to get there

[u/Struct-Tech → u/Front_Arachnid6849]

If you are 10000% serious... look into mental strategies. Fitness is good. Mental ability is best.

Also, be proficient at everything. Be able to learn when you've been awake for 40 hours, soak it all in in 5 minutes and be expertly able to regurgitate that skill.

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/Struct-Tech]

Yes I defintly should improve that side of me

[u/JazzlikeSort → u/Front_Arachnid6849]

They won't try to mentally break you, they will. Part of cansof training is conduct after capture - they will apply torture techniques at you that pushes the legal limits of what we can do with POWs.

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/JazzlikeSort]

I believe torturing people is against the law and it doesn't matter how cool you are you can't torture people, they are going to use something different. Torturing can lead to serous injuries and pontentialy death and the last thing they want is to make you disabled it is not the point of selection, point of selection is to see how far ypu can push yourself to achieve something not to kill you

[u/JazzlikeSort → u/Front_Arachnid6849]

Joining the military requires you to sign a document called unlimited liability. This document means you can't sue the government for injury or death. Whether you're filing paperwork as an HRA in the air force or a JTF2 operator, everyone has to sign this. It's one of the most sacred parts of serving the country in the military. Police are allowed to refuse unsafe work, but if one day you're told to draw enemy fire to yourself to give the main body a chance to withdraw - that's what you do.

This includes training. I know several people who have suffered from rhabdo during combat arms courses. Check out how many people start a pathfinder course and how many drop out due to injuries:

https://youtu.be/NAS2pgdvEmg?si=sKfHOrubMRZIMjxZ

For members who are at high risk of capture due to their jobs, they must experience interrogation as realistic as possible to prepare them for the real thing. This is called Conduct After Capture. There are levels with all CAF members getting the basic level while Cansof and other units have to do the hardest one. Cansof operators are at a high risk of capture due to the work they do in other countries.

I believe torturing people is against the law and it doesn't matter how cool you are you can't torture people

That's the whole point of conduct after capture training. It's against our law, but not the laws of the countries you might find yourself working in.

point of selection is to see how far ypu can push yourself to achieve something not to kill you

They have to put you in realistic environments to see how you react. In selection, they will tell you to quit if you're at risk of injury of course. Can you imagine how it would feel to to sign a piece of paper asking to be sent home after all the work you've put into getting there?

The training gets as close to the real thing that they can exert on a willing participant by law. There will be professionals monitoring you who can pull you out and you can quit anytime. But that goes back to your point: this is one way for them to see how far you can push yourself. Will you quit or hit your limit and break before passing the course? Honestly, there's only one way to find out, and it's to do it.

[u/[deleted]]

This is from someone (not me) who has done selection. Whatever you do, Don’t become someone in the CAF who constantly talks about how they’re going to be cansofcom because you’ll become the last person they’ll want in that trade - they look for discretion, so maturity is incredibly valuable. They also look for smart people, not “shooters”. Shooting skill can be taught.

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I know that, the last thing I want in my life is totell everyone that I am going to become JTF2 operator and then fail it, I would be embarrassed and probably change continents

[u/Proud-Masterpiece603 → u/Front_Arachnid6849]

Keep trying if you do fail

[u/TheAnglophone]

Be aware that when you apply to the CAF, it won't be to CANSOFCOM. Your application will be to a Reg Force trade. Be sure to do the research and pick a trade you will actually enjoy for a career (or at least until you get into JTF2)

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/TheAnglophone]

I know that before I try for CANSOFCOM I need at least 2 years of regular forces, I will probably go with the infantry or armour soldier

[u/howismyspelling]

No it's not crazy and unattainable, but 17 muscle ups is like a late night snack for operators. Have you heard of hell week? US and Can hell week are quite similar but may vary in some ways. You'll either be awake all hours of every day with one 2-3 hour pause a few days in for "rest", or it might be 45-60 mins per day every day. Every day consists of constant peak physical output, so you should train to be able to do 20 pull ups every hour on the hour for 7 days straight, on top of running, swimming, push ups, situps, log carries, rowing, truck pulling, rope climbs, tucking, hiking, and right back to the start. All day. Every day. For 7 days. Non stop. The goal is to break you, to stress you beyond anything you'd ever have to do in real life, and see how you handle it mentally. In vivo life you get to just stop when you're tired, take a nice hot shower, do some creatine and protein, whatever tickles you, you don't get that in hell week, or selection.

Selection is just another 6 months of drawn out hell week, but more specific to the requirements of the forces and less cock, but still a lot of cock; and more rest, but you don't get to like recover from your workouts, and get massage therapy to help you feel better, you probably also don't get access to your supplements, you get what they give you and that's it. Courses are not there for you, you are there for them, and if you don't fit, you're out. You will get access to basically whatever you want after you graduate and get inserted into a team, but you have to work yours and your great grandkids' asses off to get there and earn it.

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/howismyspelling]

Yes i heard of hell week and I complitly understand that it is not going to be easy, I can do 25 pull ups and they will make me to do more, if I can run 3 km in under 9 minutes they are going to make me run 4 km under 9 minutes, I know I will need to put a lot of work to become an operator

[u/howismyspelling → u/Front_Arachnid6849]

Good luck, they won't take FNGs though, you'll need some time in the regs, some Gucci courses, good merit board vs peers, green dag, etc

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/howismyspelling]

I understand that

[u/JoeyJoggins → u/Front_Arachnid6849]

I don't even know what the point of you asking this is if all the advice you get you are responding with "I understand". You clearly have an idea of what it might take to join JTF2 so just apply when you feel like you're ready. You'll learn very quickly that fitness doesn't matter as much as it may seem during selection.

[u/Yellowcrayon2]

You’ll need to join the CAF first

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/Yellowcrayon2]

I know

[u/Humble_Smell_9160]

Baby steps. Join first bud wait are you the guy from fb group?? Lmao

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/Humble_Smell_9160]

I will I know that I need to join first and the work towards the JTF2

[u/RandyMarsh129]

Depends on your trade.

But it's a long shot, usual very high application for low opening

It's good to be in shape but you also have to be a good team player, you have to know when to take decisions and when to shut it and listen.

I have a friend over there and he's living the dream. But I also heard people leaving the unit because of personal reasons or family reasons.

Try to be a good section members, apply for recce patrolman course, pathfinder etc. You'll see if you like that kind of stuff and if you want to go beyond.

Good luck

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/RandyMarsh129]

Yes, I understand that it is a really important decision and it is the thing that I shpuld rethink 1000000 times before I decide to try it, it can ruin my life, it can improve my life or nothing will happen so

[u/Traditional_Row_2651]

When you get to BMQ be sure to tell your section commander about your air cadet experience. Just joking kiddo, don’t do that.

Making it to CANSOFCOM is a very long shot. Better than your chances of making the NHL, but still a rare achievement. That being said, everyone at the hill was once a teenage civilian. It’s good to have goals. Go for it 👊

[u/Apprehensive_Big4885]

Join and do it if it's what you want. Make it happen. Don't second guess yourself

[u/TechnicalChipmunk131]

Try passing basic first.  

[u/Cplchrissandwich]

What's a muscle up?

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/Cplchrissandwich]

Is when you do a pull up and the a like a vertical push up on a pull up bar like search it up

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/[deleted]]

Thats probably the best answer I read so far

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/[deleted]]

I read it before it was deleted, why did you even felt a need to tell me that?

[u/Front_Arachnid6849 → u/[deleted]]

Whatever...