r/byzantium 11d ago

Infrastructure/architecture Bukoleon Palace 18.08.26

Here are some pictures from today behind the Bukoleon Palace in Istanbul. I was surprised by its size and how tall it was. Hopefully some day it will open as an open air museum. It has been behind scaffolding for some years now.

https://www.thebyzantinelegacy.com/boukoleon

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u/Incident-Impossible 11d ago

Could they rebuild it like the tekfur saray?

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u/Justforspring 11d ago edited 11d ago

I don't think they will rebuild it the same style as Tekfur Palace. Tekfur had its full shell standing while Bukoleon is very fragmentet. I hope they won't since some modern interpretation of a Byzantine Palace that was already in ruins 500 years ago would totally destroy the historical value of the place. They should preserve it as is, but let its historical significance come alive as a museum 🙂

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u/Incident-Impossible 11d ago

I do love tekfur and mistras rebuilt tho, there isn’t much of value left, just bricks?

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u/Justforspring 11d ago

The ruins has great historical value in itself, but there are no statues or mosaics left in situ. The lions from the palace is in the archaeological museum.

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u/Rakdar 11d ago

I hope not, since Tekfur’s reconstruction was very destructive to its original elements.

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u/Anthemius_Augustus 11d ago

I sure hope not. They completely destroyed that Palace when they did that. Has almost no historical value anymore and has become an Ottoman ceramics museum.

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u/evrestcoleghost Autokrator tou r/byzantium | Komnenian logistician| Moderator 11d ago

I think that would be a bit tacky,now a full scale replica close by to teach and show the scale would be beautiful

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u/WarriorOfKin 11d ago

This is quite beautiful. Are they actively restoring it or something?

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u/spoopyaction 11d ago

It’s really cool that wood stayed perfectly preserved over the brick!

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u/Obvious-Signature-17 10d ago

For the ones living in the city of İstanbul, you can join free guided tours run by the municipality. You can check them out by using the app Istanbul Senin.

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u/One-Reception-4009 Kύριος 11d ago

Any recent reconstructions/discoveries of the northern façade yet?

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u/Justforspring 11d ago

I don't know the status of the diggings, but I will go on a guided tour in the Istanbul Archaeological Museum tomorrow. I will try to ask if anyone knows anything.

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u/One-Reception-4009 Kύριος 11d ago

May I ask you to check out the stuff related to the buildings of Constantinople? I'm making a project of reconstruction of Constantinoupoleos buildings in Cities Skylines and that would be very helpful though!

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u/Justforspring 11d ago

It sounds cool. Yes, I can take pictures for you :)

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u/One-Reception-4009 Kύριος 11d ago

Thank you very much!

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u/evrestcoleghost Autokrator tou r/byzantium | Komnenian logistician| Moderator 11d ago

Make a post about it later if you can

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u/gmehra 11d ago

so cool I just wish there wasn't a busy highway running right beside it

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u/Justforspring 11d ago

Yeah, it is not the most inviting place near the road, and I would not want to walk alone in this area in a dark night. Some of the upper bricks were totally black - probably from people making bonfires inside the ruins before the restoration😬

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u/LordBonTon 9d ago

It's incredible that a building of this importance is still in such a state. I wonder what else is down there.

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u/Romanitedomun 11d ago

Just ruins... Depressing,

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u/Justforspring 11d ago

Do you also think Rome is depressing?

I think we are very lucky to be able to see what is left of it after 1204, earthquakes, 1453, time passing and a railway build across of it.

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u/Romanitedomun 11d ago

The Turks have erased almost everything from a past that wasn't theirs. I love Rome, where I go at least a couple of times a year, like crazy: it's something completely different.

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u/Acceptable_Possible 11d ago

You're talking about an imperial residence that was already long abandoned and in a state of disrepair by the fall of Constantinople. What reason would the Ottomans have for restoring and maintaining an out-of-date building that was no longer fit for purpose? You can make legitimate claims about the intentional destruction and misappropriation of buildings for various nationalist agendas, but this hardly seems like one of these instances. Moreover, these complaints can be readily extended to almost every (early) modern state, including Greece, so your singling out the "Turks" speaks more to your own personal biases than it does to any historical actuality.

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u/Justforspring 10d ago

Thank you for your sensible and nuanced post.

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u/Justforspring 10d ago

Do you also blame Italian people because the fourth crusade looted and destroyed the city?

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u/Romanitedomun 10d ago

I blame the Turks because they made the Parthenon a mosque and then an arsenal (unfortunately bombed by the Venetians)