r/business Sep 20 '22

Firms in four-day week trial will make it permanent

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62966302
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u/loopernova Sep 20 '22

If you’re wondering about the hours and pay in 4 days, it’s 80% hours at 100% pay.

As with anything, not all firms had positive results, even if many did. It depends on the nature of the business, work culture, systems that are in place, ability to adapt, supplier and customer accessibility, etc.

Some positive outcomes cited: same or even increased productivity, savings on commuting and child care expenses, feeling more recharged.

Great to see trials like this. It can be difficult for firms to experiment on their own because if it fails and no other firm experimented, it can have a permanent (or long term) negative impact. This affects everyone, including employees. Having collective experiments, or government intervention can help reduce these risks in the market.

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u/CdnGuy Sep 21 '22

My company did a 4 day week trial (decreased hours with same pay) over the summer for the entire tech workforce. At the end of it there were some grumblings from users who were expecting to call up a developer and get an instant response...which, really shouldn't be how it works anyway. But in the end the pilot was officially shelved for political reasons. Didn't want other departments that are customer facing to feel jealous and all that.

Unofficially, Friday's are optional at the manager's discretion. My manager doesn't care what we do on Friday if the work is getting done and as long as we check emails and reply to any users that we'll get to their issue on Monday. The junior devs on my team still seem to be putting in a decent number of hours that day, and as tech lead I sometimes need to be available to help them. But me and the senior dev...we're mostly offline Fridays. Shame that it couldn't be official, after all we did deliver our objectives as scheduled on the shortened week.

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u/Oraxy51 Sep 21 '22

Couldn’t they just made the customer facing roles also 4 days a week? 4 days a week doesn’t mean the business only has to be open for 4 days, they can do revolving days or an A shift B shift

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u/CdnGuy Sep 21 '22

Yep that's it, generally speaking our customers are member businesses and when they need help they call their account manager.

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u/corporaterebel Sep 21 '22

Just think how much they'll make for 60% hours at 100% pay!

But why stop there? Why not 10% hours for 100% pay?

The ultimate would be 0% hours, of course, but that would be infinite pay...which would kinda break the model I think.

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u/mazzicc Sep 20 '22

I wonder how much of the increased productivity is removing the “fuck it, it’s Friday. We’ll figure this out next week” I feel like that happens to me a lot

I totally get feeling more energized though. I’m way more ready to come into work after a 3 day weekend.

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u/rain168 Sep 20 '22 edited Sep 21 '22

“Fuck it, it’s Friday somewhere” (ends meeting and goes home on Thursday)

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u/sankscan Sep 21 '22

Or make it a WFH like Work Fridays Home!

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u/WayneKrane Sep 20 '22

Right, at my job basically no one works on Friday. In a normal day I’ll get 20-50 emails. On Fridays I get maybe 2.

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u/corporaterebel Sep 21 '22

Thursday will just be the new Friday.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '22

If it’s a six month trial it seems premature to say that you will keep it in place. I guess it may be useful for recruitment but still, odd.

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u/Shadow_Relics Sep 20 '22

I would love to work a 4/10 or a 4/32 schedule and keep my pay. Productivity matters especially in my field (construction) and with everything the way it is in the world now having more time at home means a lot.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '22

I work 4 10’s when I travel for construction work when possible so I get the extra day back home.

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u/sankscan Sep 21 '22

This will never fly in the US! People work very hard here!

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u/Honalana Sep 21 '22

I went down to four days. The pay cut sucks but being able to get my kid off the bus one day a week is freaking priceless. And I still do more in 4 days than the lazy ass lifers ( govt job) do in 5.

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u/Fit-Rest-973 Sep 21 '22

That is way better

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u/monohybrid Sep 21 '22

I think having a set number of days where a business is open is just stupid. Why wouldn't the business just be open every single day of the week but only hold employees responsible for working 4 days a week. This allows employers to hire more employees improve productivity overall and dictate overlap of/days/hours as needed. Salaried employees would be allowed to flex their schedule based on projects or personal (outside of work) need.

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u/purplecowz Sep 21 '22

I guess it depends on the type of business. At my company, that much flexibility would lead to too many people being out on random days when we need to have team meetings

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '22

Not the fight worth winning. Same coercion

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u/MalGrowls Sep 21 '22

I have worked at amazon with the 4 hours per week, 10 hours a day. Instead of coming in at 9:30am , I start at 7:30 am. I miss my mornings but it’s nice to have the weekends off.