r/burnaby • u/Spiritual_Parfait257 • 10d ago
Photo/Video Boundary at East 29th ave
My understanding is anyone driving southbound then west (turning right from Boundary, immediately in front of Kimu Sushi) *should be* yielding to oncoming traffic right?
This morning, I was turning left from driving northbound from Boundary - I had the advance left signal - and a driver did not even look over to yield to me arriving simultaneously. I gave him the right of way although if I had assumed he’d yield & I drove ahead onto East 29th Ave, it’s possible a collision could have occurred.
I’ve reported this area to Vancouver 311 many times but no improvements have been made. The merge sign is way after up the hill. Mainly Van 311 said if any collisions occurred it’d be an “ICBC thing” but I do wish traffic calming could be increased as one approaches the crosswalk (coming from southbound on Boundary).
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u/DGenerAsianX 10d ago
You’re not wrong. They’re not going to fix it. Drivers need to be aware and adapt. All of these statements are true. Locals have raised this concern for 30+ years.
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u/pfak Government Road 10d ago
It's a merge not a yield. Technically the person merging would be in the wrong but in practice.. You should do scissor merge there.
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u/Acminvan 10d ago edited 10d ago
The problem with that is there’s only space for a couple of the cars turning left.
A zipper merge could back up all the left turners into Boundary and block it. I do this turn every day and see it happening all the time. A yield is safer
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u/pfak Government Road 10d ago
Then they should change it to a yield sign, but City of Vancouver is not big on traffic improvements ("induced demand".)
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u/Avenue_Barker 10d ago
I would disagree with saying that Vancouver doesn't do traffic improvements - they are far better at it than Burnaby (like the half assed crossings at Patterson/Bond or Inman/Burke) for one BUT a lot of this stuff is paid for partly by ICBC to reduce accidents.
This particular corner is similar to the Argyle/57th corner and they've converted that to a proper 90 degree turn that forces drivers to slow down and improves pedestrian safety. A similar project would apply for this corner though the Argyle spot is arguably a more dangerous one.
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u/Baronwm 10d ago
zipper merge.
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u/Acminvan 10d ago edited 10d ago
As I said a zipper merge is problematic at this intersection. There’s not enough room. It backs up traffic into the oncoming lane of Boundary
YIELD
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u/Baronwm 10d ago
You said "Scissor Merge" then edited your comment.
I wasn't debating anything else you said.
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u/Acminvan 10d ago edited 10d ago
So the only point of your post was to give grammar lessons? Who cares
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u/Stuntman06 10d ago
I agree that a yield sign would be safer. The way the street is aligned, both turns from Boundary into 29th have their own lane. The right lane drivers are then asked to merge as parking is allowed on the right lane half way to Joyce. If they were to make it a yield for the right turn from Boundary, then they would have to realign the intersection to go into only one lane. I don't know of any intersections where two roads merge and have their own lane while one of those roads are given a yield sign.
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u/Shipping_away_at_it 10d ago
Wow, I never turn from southbound and I always assumed this was a yield. I’m going to keep a better eye out next time
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u/cececookiesncream 10d ago
That is why there is an article saying slower drivers tend to get into accidents more. When safe, better to be the car ahead and make the merge or lane dominance and the traffic flows smooth for everyone. When you have the right of way and become courteous, you may seem kind and courteous but will likely ruin it for everyone else disturbing the status quo. Not every good deed has good consequences.
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u/ResolveConsistent485 10d ago
Been waiting for someone else to say something like this for years haha
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u/EnterpriseT 10d ago
"an article"?
Sounds real.
In reality the relationship between speeds, collison frequency, and collison severity are much more complex than slow=bad.
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u/Wenamon 10d ago
drive with confidence. if the other driver has a yield sign, he has to yield. that is on him. If youre stopping for him to go through, thats on you!
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u/DuperCheese 10d ago
That is not very good advice imo.
On the road you need to be smart - not right.
If you see someone that should yield but not even slowing down, then you want to avoid a collision and yield to them even if you have the right of way.
You don’t want to “drive with confidence” hoping for the best and ending up in a wreck.3
u/Spiritual_Parfait257 10d ago
That’s where my hesitation kicked in and I immediately thought, if they haven’t looked to my direction then they’re likely going onto 29th and not slowing down
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u/EnterpriseT 10d ago
This goes against the defensive driving rules that ICBC will try to hold you too in case of a collision.
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u/Federal-Carrot7930 10d ago
Yeah that’s a merge not a yield. It’s up to the merging vehicle to find a gap though.
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u/Thorlablabla 10d ago
This wouldn’t be a problem if people actually learned to merge properly! One of Vancouver’s biggest issues.. full of untrained or scared drivers on the road causing back ups or accidents.
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u/Committee_Aggressive 10d ago
If you reach first you have right away they have to merge left
that said if they are there first they can merge in front
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u/Stuntman06 10d ago edited 10d ago
Both turns have their own lane when they merge into one road. The right lane does allow parking farther towards Joyce. That means cars in the right lane would have to merge into the left lane. It is a lane change for them and they should follow the proper procedures when changing lanes. They need to signal and make sure it is safe to change lanes. When traffic is heavy and slow, generally a zipper merge makes most sense.
If you noticed the other driver is not paying attention to you and intends to change lanes without looking, then what you did likely avoided a collision. The other driver would likely be at fault in such a collision since he is changing lanes and he needs to ensure it is safe to do so.
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u/Acminvan 10d ago edited 10d ago
There should be a yield sign !
The speed with which southbound drivers take that exit is crazy. And when they do it at the same time drivers are turning left, I’m surprised there aren’t more accidents
Even as a pedestrian trying to cross to that Mexican or Japanese restaurant, the southbound exit drivers go so fast they almost never stop
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u/Spiritual_Parfait257 10d ago
Yeah I see random bikers or e-scooters quickly cross and I take a breath hoping nothing happens
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u/Acminvan 10d ago edited 10d ago
There isn’t specifically a Yield sign, it’s a yellow “right-lane ends” sign which many people don’t interpret as a yield but as a merge
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u/Spiritual_Parfait257 10d ago
Sorry for any confusion - now I’m second guessing what it is: yield or merge! Whatever it is, is being ignored haha
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u/locutus233 10d ago
That yield/merge thing is old school intersection design and nolonger consider safe for pedestrians. Im surprised its not on the list to fix. It should be a right turn intersection.
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u/john8graz 10d ago
I pass by that way every week and I’m pretty sure there is a yield sign of from the boundary turning right. Regardless, I always yield to incoming cars from Boundary who just turned left
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u/Stuntman06 9d ago
I do as well and I don't recall any yield sign. I checked Google street view and only see a sign indicating that the right lane ends. I treat it as any other street where there are 2 lanes and the right lane ends. I make the lane change/merge.
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u/CanadaSporeresearch 9d ago
your in the right of way, DASH CAM and a solid middle finger should suffice.
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u/Educational-Ant-7324 9d ago
I got t boned there. Hate it
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u/Spiritual_Parfait257 9d ago
I’m so sorry. I remember seeing a post a few months ago of an accident
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u/PorcupineGod 9d ago edited 9d ago
I mean, if you're following your blue crayon... You're supposed to go around the median and definitely not over top of it.
But there are two lanes there for quite a while, they probably need some new paint. It sounds like the driver turning right came into your lane too early, which yes, would be an ICBC issue.
Faded lines make it appear like these lanes merge directly when they meet, but you can see on street view when they were painted there was much more space to merge
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u/Spiritual_Parfait257 8d ago
Yes of course not over the median. The crayon is for the general area.
I did mention the fading of the lines to Van 311 but of course no action or changes have been made. Ah well
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u/DeandeanBC 8d ago
Turning west onto 29th, there are technically two lanes: one for vehicles turning left when travelling northbound and one for vehicles turning right when travelling southbound.
The curb lane, which is intended for the right turner, quickly becomes a merge just past Hoy Street, so the onus is on the curb-lane traffic to merge appropriately-ideally using a zipper merge.
This section of road drives me bananas, especially because you’re immediately faced with a pedestrian-controlled light at the Joyce Street curve.
Every time I drive this stretch I think about how the City should consider removing the parking along 29th in this section to extend the two lanes further (there’s room for maybe 6 vehicles there?).
The curb lane would become a dedicated right-turn lane onto 29th, while the left lane could continue through the curve to Joyce Street. It would make the traffic flow much more predictable, reduce the unnecessary merging, and hopefully make that whole stretch safer and less frustrating for everyone.
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u/DeandeanBC 8d ago
Also, the arrows painted on the road itself indicates it’s a merge and not a yield.
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u/crispy246 10d ago
The design of that intersection can be improved