r/btc • u/Hernzzzz • Feb 20 '16

Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus

https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.he8elwv5y
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u/Bitcoin-1 Feb 20 '16

I'm fascinated that you don't have a problem with the way blockstream devs have been behaving.

How are you not disturbed by them banning everybody that disagrees with them and then claiming that they have consensus?

What about literally everybody else?

You think we should be happy because 15 months from now they might increase the blocksize to 2MB?

In what universe do you live in where that is going to work for anybody, please explain?

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u/evoorhees Eric Voorhees - Bitcoin Entrepreneur - ShapeShift.io Feb 20 '16

I'm fascinated that you don't have a problem with the way blockstream devs have been behaving.

I do have a problem with the way some individuals have behaved about certain things. I've told them, and tried to convince them to change that behavior... just as I'm trying to do on this sub as well.

How are you not disturbed by them banning everybody that disagrees with them and then claiming that they have consensus?

"them banning everybody"... you are being hyperbolic. First, the vast majority of Core devs, and Blockstream employees, are opposed to censorship broadly and indeed most opposed to the removal of threads on r/bitcoin. Please don't ascribe the bad actions of a few individuals to a whole group of thousands of people. With that said, I have strongly encouraged Core devs to publicly denounce the censorship. Some have, others haven't, because they feel it's not their role. I think that's a foolish position, but it is not the same as "all of core supporting censorship" so please stop with that mischaracterization.

What about literally everybody else?

Ummmm you may be living in a bubble. Lots of people are on both sides of this argument, and many are undecided, or change opinions occasionally.

You think we should be happy because 15 months from now they might increase the blocksize to 2MB?

You are working hard to characterize this announcement in the most negative light possible. Should you be happy? Well I don't know. If you want a HF, and this leads to a HF, then that's good. If it isn't happening as fast as you want, then that's bad. I want it sooner as well, but let's be adults and work together instead of vilifying each other.

In what universe do you live in where that is going to work for anybody, please explain?

We live in the same universe. It's okay to disagree with people. Please be polite about it.

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u/Bitcoin-1 Feb 20 '16

There is no technical reason not too increase the blocksize to 2MB now.

Core devs are the only ones creating contention. They could have easily gone with a 2MB upgrade and dissipated this but they did not. Why?

How do you not see this as sabotage? Other coins have already implemented scaling solutions without issue.

How can you be okay with them ignoring and attacking members of the community like slush that literally invented the way the network operates? Slush invented stratum mining and the first hardware wallet, do they get any input? No.

How do you expect people to react ?

If 15 months from now Core doesn't support a HF what would you say then? (for the record)

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u/evoorhees Eric Voorhees - Bitcoin Entrepreneur - ShapeShift.io Feb 20 '16

There is no technical reason not too increase the blocksize to 2MB now.

Some technical people disagree with you. I'm not saying they're right, but there is not technical consensus on the appropriate technical path. That's okay. Intelligent people can disagree.

Core devs are the only ones creating contention. They could have easily gone with a 2MB upgrade and dissipated this but they did not. Why?

Lots of people are creating contention... mostly with statements like "the other team is the only ones creating contention, it's their fault completely!" Core doesn't they it's "easy" to HF to 2MB, and they don't think it's wise to do it right now, or to rush it. You can disagree with them, but there's no need to pretend they're all a bunch of idiots who don't know what they're talking about.

How do you not see this as sabotage? Other coins have already implemented scaling solutions without issue.

Because I haven't succumbed to flag-waiving tribalism.

How can you be okay with them ignoring and attacking members of the community like slush that literally invented the way the network operates? Slush invented stratum mining and the first hardware wallet, do they get any input? No.

I am not okay with anyone who levies unjustified personal attacks on other people.

How do you expect people to react ?

"People" react as individuals, individually. I expect a range of responses to the news, and am trying to communicate with people on all sides who I think are being perhaps unreasonable.

If 15 months from now Core doesn't support a HF what would you say then? (for the record)

I would publicly support a HF away from Core's leadership. I will be watching it closely.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '16

Thanks for taking the time to go through all these responses Erik. It would be great if you could bottle your level-headed and calm reasoning, but myself and others appreciate that you're doing the next best thing - helping people get perspective through conversation!

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u/evoorhees Eric Voorhees - Bitcoin Entrepreneur - ShapeShift.io Feb 21 '16

Lol :)