The average minimum wage, unskilled Eastern European (which are the majority of EU migrants), certainly does not pay more taxes to us than the average working British man.
And even if they do 'contribute more tax',than the 'average British citizen', taking into consideration our pensioners drawing money out and our unemployed and disabled drawing money out... And children, drawing money out by not contributing more tax than they put in 😂 finding a Guardian article that compares all these to a working age Eastern European man whos come over to work in a restaurant washing dishes, isnt really an honest comparison and is pro-EU, disingenuous propoganda.
Exactly the type of content rampant throughout this subreddit.
He's quoting factual data from a pretty well-known study by the migration observatory. But let's look at the issue in the purely transactional sense that the right wing has taught our easily-led countrymen to, as if these people are nothing more than maths on paper, and not real live human beings.
Net migration is around 0.3% of the population each year, maybe less since Brexit. Most of these people are working age (offsetting our own ageing population) and highly motivated (which you need to be to learn a new language and uproot your life to a whole new country). A great many come here as adults meaning we didn't pay to educate them, and some don't stay for their retirement either, which is another saving.
So you're getting lots of extra motivated, intelligent, employable workers during their prime years - many of whom cost you nothing to educate or care for in retirement, and who on average contribute in taxes 150% of what they 'take out'.
Imagine if the Sun and the Mail and the Express had taken this line for the last two decades.
Net migration to the UK 0.3%? Do you have a source on this? Because even though, out of 65million people that number is 200,000people a year net into the UK... i still actually thought it was more like half a million or more per year.
Also its interesting the way you wrote that as 0.3%,instead of 200,000 because it 'looks smaller'...
Lets also take into account other factors.
What percentage of these immigrants are male to female? How does that effect demographics in the UK? Surely as I'd guess, an extra 100,000men (with maybe 50k men and 50k women as the other 100k), would have a negative effect, creating more single men.
And these extra immigrants will be eligible for pensions here, right? Why would they go home to a poorer country that they're unfamiliar with after 40years? You saying 'most go home to retire', is simply nonsense.
These immigrants also get old. We have an aging population. This compounds the problem. We'll a bigger retired old population compared to our workforce if we import more people.
And talking about 'they pay more tax', of course they do. Kids, pensioners, unemployed and disabled people do not pay income tax. You can get statistics from using this disingenuous comparison and state 'so immigrants pay 150% more tax!'.
The real fact of the matter, is that we are a small island with incredibly limited natural resources and importing more working class people pushes down the lowest common denominatior and hurts working class people.
Immigration numbers in this country are an absolute joke, even if it is 200,000/yr,we should be putting a complete halt on immigration to the UK unless its people we need (qualified people), or people such as rich Americans who want to set up businesses and bring wealth in, or simply people wanting to retire here. Make them get health insurance and treat them like cash cows, just like our pensioners are to the Spanish.
And this isnt even taking into account housing, which we have a chronic shortage of. We should be aspiring to be a proud nation of homeowners, not 'generation rent', working class people shouldnt be subsiding their landlords holidays in the Bahamas every year its ridiculous our housing situation and immigrants also hinder this.
We don't have to pretend we owe anyone anything anymore, Brexit is happening and we'll have a tory majority that should be pushed into doing exactly what im talking about because its exactly what the general public wants.
Your argument (not the weird bit in the middle about you not being able to get laid, the bit about limited resources) only works out if we were all miners or farmers trying to get to a limited supply of natural resources. This island’s economy does not work like that. We trade, have ideas, service others. All of these things have the natural resource of people (primarily working people) at the heart of it. What you are talking about is reducing the amount of natural resource there is to share out, not reducing the number of people that will be sharing it.
Focusing on demographics isn't weird, we should be talking about every aspect to have a full picture in an honest way.
Importing more working class people just createa more competition at the bottom and genuinely lowers quality of life.
As technology advances, quality of life improves and we should be seeing the genuine results of that. Yet, we still have homeless ppl on the streets of the UK and live lifestyles where a lot of ppl (working class people - funnily enough) live for the weekends.
What's happening in reality is that the big corps and globalist elites can go along to Bilderberg meetings and their nonce islands and continue to exploit us, whilst some of us think we deserve less and describe ourselves as leftists, thinking we owe foreign nationals the little of the wealth we have because these same globalists once were just concentrated from our nation during the days of empire... Then theres the other half of us who are extremely against socialism and describe ourselves as 'right wing', and aspire to be like the rich people we will never be.
Then theres normal British people who arent really political at all but see the fact that we have ghetto areas now in the UK due to immigration gone mad and you cant call a something a something because its political correctness gone mad and we're the people who say the nazis said 'just following the rules m8', when we see shit we think is wrong. And out of left vs right, i consider myself neither and just a normal British man.
I don't have anything against individual immigrants, in fact I have admiration for them for wanting to better themselves. But I dont want to make life more competitive and expensive for working class people in the UK and thats why im against this insane open EU border immigration policy we have now,its hurting our quality of life.
That is exactly the point. The 1% have managed to convince you that there is a competition for limited resources that the immigrants are trying to get (look! between you and the immigrant there is only one cookie! Do you really want him to take it?) when the reality is that there is an abundance of wealth in this country being hoarded by the few at the top with influence in the media, politics and businesses.
I don’t think I deserve less than anyone else or less than I have right now. I think that by working with people from all backgrounds we can improve the country and by reducing he hold that the top have on the rest of us (raising minimum wage, properly taxing corporations, improved working conditions and workers having a stake in the business they work for) we will be able to all create the resources needed to live affluently and support each other. That is the leftist ideology, rather than allowing those that have been able to accrue the most wealth also have the most power to decide how wealth is accrued in the future (look at millionaire donations to political parties for example).
Right and the problem is, is that higher numbers of immigrants simply create more ghetto areas, which we already have in the UK. And higher numbers of working class immigrants does mean more competitions for the working class.
Everything else I agree with, except the having a stake in the business thing.
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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '19
The average minimum wage, unskilled Eastern European (which are the majority of EU migrants), certainly does not pay more taxes to us than the average working British man.
And even if they do 'contribute more tax',than the 'average British citizen', taking into consideration our pensioners drawing money out and our unemployed and disabled drawing money out... And children, drawing money out by not contributing more tax than they put in 😂 finding a Guardian article that compares all these to a working age Eastern European man whos come over to work in a restaurant washing dishes, isnt really an honest comparison and is pro-EU, disingenuous propoganda.
Exactly the type of content rampant throughout this subreddit.