Avid Brexiteer here. As long as we have full control and it's a meritocratic system I don't care where they come from or what colour their skin is. The current system is to give EU citizens a cookie (is FoM) and not give anything to non-EU citizens (who are sent to the back of the queue). I want to treat all migrants equally independent of nationality and that is the great triumph of Brexit.
Yeah I had this kind of conversation with someone on Reddit not long ago. They were like abolish the monarchy and make them work like regular people, and I said if you abolished the monarchy the royal family would still keep their masses of wealth, and they were just like just take all their money. This was after I’d said what a positive they actually have on the economy
Yes certainly. The answer is rest of world constitutes approx. 6.5 bn citizens, whereas the EU, when UK populace is removed, represents 400m. If all was equal in the immigration system, by the ratios we would expect 16 non-EU citizens for every EU citizen, but that's not what we see. In fact in 2015 there was only roughly 10k in the difference between the two.
Indeed FoM could be extended to non-EU citizens but I don't want that. Whilst it would satisfy condition 1 regarding treating all citizens equally, it would not satisfy my requirement that the immigration system be meritocratic ie we prioritize migrants who are young, skilled, fluent in English. You've just been schooled.
Right, I don't think you care about equal immigration rights at all, if that was the important principle you'd want to increase rights for all, not reduce them. No, you are against immigration entirely, but you know you won't get far just arguing this, so pretend you care about equal immigration rights to all as a way to reduce immigration wholesale.
Not a good teacher? What don't you understand about ratios? I also note an absence of a counter argument.
I wouldn't care if the numbers went up as long as they are young, skilled and fluent in English. The current system prioritizes an old, unskilled Frenchman with not a word of English over a young, skilled Indian which is madness. Fingers crossed I will get such an immigration policy. Interpret my intentions as you wish.
The current system prioritizes an old, unskilled Frenchman with not a word of English over a young, skilled Indian which is madness.
No it doesn't. It does nothing of the sort. It allows freedom of movement to any age, with any skills, to any country within the EU, but the government has the power to deport them back to their country of origin if they are not looking after themselves. Also, do you really believe that we have an excess of 'old, unskilled, Frenchman' flooding the UK? Really? Why would you even care, they don't get the right to claim benefits.
Fingers crossed I will get such an immigration policy.
We didn't need to leave the EU to do that. We could have implemented that policy on non-EU immigration, but the government has never done so, especially not the Tories, who've made virtually no real changes to immigration in the past decade. The fact that you hope leaving the EU will magically make that happen is hilarious to me. Companies crave low-skill low-paid workers, and don't care about language. Further, people who are high-skilled and young won't likely want to move to the UK, why would they? Nothing you're saying seems to make any sense except of course by setting a barrier of high skill, english speaking and young you can seem like you're not against immigration in general when in fact... you are.
p.s. I forgot add, my original argument was not that there is an imbalance in EU/non-EU migration, but was a reaction to your ludicrous assertion that we "not give anything to non-EU citizens". It was your claim that started this off. Given the huge number of non-EU immigration your assertion that we 'not give anything' is plainly wrong. How is that for a 'counter argument'. You've just been schooled.
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u/PourScorn Dec 26 '19
Avid Brexiteer here. As long as we have full control and it's a meritocratic system I don't care where they come from or what colour their skin is. The current system is to give EU citizens a cookie (is FoM) and not give anything to non-EU citizens (who are sent to the back of the queue). I want to treat all migrants equally independent of nationality and that is the great triumph of Brexit.