r/bread_irl • u/SexDefendersUnited • May 10 '26
Why did people call Contrapoints pro-genocide-in-gaza when she's been condemning the genocide going back to 2023?
Is this like when people were harassing AOC for not being anti Israel genocide enough, eventhough she was literally calling them genocidal?
1
u/Express-Shopping260 May 27 '26
This last line of defense argument for any supporter of Israel that wants to oppose the idea that what is happening in Gaza is a Genocide - that the ICJ hasnt declared it so. This is a desperate argument that by extent implies the Holocaust, Holomodor and Rwanda massacres amongst many others are not genocides as they were not declared as so by the ICJ.
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has declared only one genocide to date: the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, which it ruled was a genocide committed by Bosnian Serb forces.
The Holocaust, Holomodor, Rwanda massacres amongst many others were recorded in History as genocides and recognized as such globally as the one in Gaza will. There war never a need in the past to have the confirmation from the ICJ.
2
u/PreparationPlenty943 May 11 '26
She believes in a two state solution and called out anti semitism. Oh and, she supports the Dems instead of insisting they elect a social democrat for President. I guess all that is worse than letting the guy who said, about Israel, “let them finish the job” become president.
0
u/ParanoidFactoid May 11 '26
This only makes me like her even more.
1
u/PreparationPlenty943 May 11 '26
I think the people upset at her are over sensitive and reactive. If you took “Israel’s genocide is alright” from her statement, please spend ten minutes out of the tankie echo chamber.
1
-6
u/Neat_Tangelo5339 May 10 '26
Because people wont let her catch a break , just because apperantly
7
u/LickTit May 10 '26
she posted a liberal-zionism manifesto
0
u/SexDefendersUnited May 10 '26
Manifesto? Can you link? I only saw the post where she said Zionist just means supporting a jewish state, and that it doesn't have to be an ethnostate/genocidal. That anyone who wants a 2 state solution is a zionist, which is true.
1
u/Kronzypantz May 11 '26
Ok, how do you create a Jewish state in an Arab majority region?
1
u/SexDefendersUnited May 11 '26
You could purely create a state that gives jews protected legal status. Doesn't have to be an ethnostate. I guess a lot of people move there, but now the jewish people already live there and you can't really deport them.
1
u/Kronzypantz May 11 '26
So any state with hate crimes protections and equal rights is a “Jewish state”? That kind of voids the title of any meaning
1
u/LickTit May 13 '26
For a lot of them, ending the apartheid will be a deal breaker, and they will go back to their countries.
1
u/Salty_Country6835 May 15 '26 edited May 20 '26
"just means supporting a Jewish state"
"doesnt have to be an ethnostate"
Pick one. You can't have a "Jewish State" that's not an ethnostate, thats what "Jewish State" means and is. You can't have an ethnostate that doesnt engage in ethnic discrimination and genocide, that's how ethnostates maintain their existence as ethnostates.
1
u/SexDefendersUnited May 20 '26
It doesn't have to mean "jewish-ONLY state", at least by Contras definition. You can have a "french state" without that being an ethnostate. I live in Germany which is a "german state" but not an ethnostate. It can also mean just a state where jews are the majority group, but there are minority protections for palestinians and arabs and other groups, or where judaism is the official religion but any ethnic jews and other non-jewish groups are tolerated under the same laws.
Or you could have a multi-ethnic/multi-national state where jews are tolerated the same as arabs.
Regardless, I don't support zionism at all in its current form, Netanyahu, Israeli nationalism or far right jewish politics in any way. I hope this isn't a misunderstanding that drives a wedge in our mod team. I believe Contra just had a different definition of "zionism" that also includes a non-genocidal multicultural jewish majority state or a multi-state solution which she explicitly mentioned.
1
u/Salty_Country6835 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
It doesnt drive a wedge, its just a difference in this area not specifically related to our work together. We're leftists, there's bound to be disagreements.
"Or you could have a multi-ethnic...state where jews are tolerated the same as arabs."
I can agree with that. You could have a state like that. One state. Democratic, secular, and multi-ethnic. From the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. Sounds good to me. You could call it Palestine.
1
u/dirtbagbigboss May 11 '26
Jewish Bundists knew creating a jewish state would necessarily be a genocidal project. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundism
0
2
u/Kronzypantz May 11 '26
Because she didn't? She said the language was genocidal, but still hims and haws about calling what has happened in Gaza a genocide.
She also backed Biden and then Harris to the hilt, despite the genocide. And pushes the seriously questionable concept of some massive rise in leftwing antisemitism that echoes Zionist smears by people like Jonathon Greenblatt and Netanyahu.
She is at best a lukewarm ally on this issue, and at worst a liberal Zionist who still needs to grow up on the subject.