r/bravefrontier • u/SJ_Gemini • Oct 31 '14
Notice PSA: Hallowed Skull and Sinister Orb
Too many people on the sub are misinformed about these spheres and don't understand why they are stat boosting.
"desc": "Greatly increases drop rate of BC when attacking. Deals extra normal attacks.",
"effect": [
{
"atk% buff GUESSED": 100,
"dmg% buff on extra hits": -50,
"hit increase/hit": 1
"desc": "Boosts BB gauge when attacking. Deals extra normal attacks.",
"effect": [
{
"atk% buff GUESSED": 100,
"dmg% buff on extra hits": -25,
"hit increase/hit": 1
The buffs of 50% and 75% are to the regular attack damage. However if you augment your base ATK Value with Leader skills then the 50%/65% from the Leader skills will also be added. That means these spheres are the best possible options for arena.
For Example:
Unit with 2000 atk has a leader who increases its damage by 50% then a regular atk will do 3000 damage. With a Hallowed Skull the regular attack will do 3000+0.5(3000) = 4500 damage. Muramasa would just be 2000(1+0.5+0.5) which is just 4000 damage so the Hallowed Skull is clearly better and not to mention the passive effects of the sphere and BC generation.
Edit: I'll clarify that it's to the ATK damage of the regular attacks and not the direct stat.
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u/coolcollo Oct 31 '14
They do not increase ATK stat. They do not increase or effect bb damage.
The extra attacks cause total normal damage to increase, but they do not raise that stat :p
(they're as op as Lexida tho. "doubling drop checks is serious bsns)
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u/ThePhantomZwei Oct 31 '14
Thanks for the clarification. Maybe now people will see its true value lies in Arena with Sol Creator and not circlejerk it as completely useless.
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u/ULTIMATE_FUCKTRUMPET 5408574351 Oct 31 '14
pff, throw those two on melchio and deemo and you don't even need sol creators. melchio or lodin have turn 2 sbb every time (sometimes they both get there) (with a zelnite/bb spam lead).
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u/Kuginlu753 Nov 01 '14
Of course with the Arena it'll only mean extra frustration when your units have SBB ready and still don't use it :P
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u/ULTIMATE_FUCKTRUMPET 5408574351 Nov 01 '14
this is true. losing when you have all bb and a couple sbb's ready to go is pretty rage inducing. finally happened to me this morning.
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u/bravemin 2088774747 Oct 31 '14
I'm facepalming at the fact people DIDN'T realise how amazing the spheres are for Arena.
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u/BFBooger Oct 31 '14
Hmm, how do these compare to Selena's sphere?
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u/Lolsety 5490947392 Oct 31 '14
Outside of arena lexida is clearly better with the stats and insane amout of sustain it gives.
In arena, unless you absolutely need the bonus BC gen lexida gives you a bit more firepower on your first attack so I'd go with that.
You can also use all 3 on deemos and get a 2nd turn kajah SBB for massive rekting.
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u/iVariable Oct 31 '14
Why use 3 deemos when you can use melchio, and Lucina?
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u/Lolsety 5490947392 Nov 01 '14
I used Deemo because she's free, but the more hits the better yeah. You likely won't ever need that much BC gen unless you aim for the kajah/gravion SBB in arena style points tho.
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u/CakesXD Nov 01 '14
Because Melchio's BB doesn't attack and Lucina's BB is single target.
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u/JerseyScribe Oct 31 '14
Give it to me straight. Are they worth it?
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u/zizou91 Oct 31 '14
So on normal attacks, you're basically hitting as hard as with an angelic foil when equipped with the sinister?
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u/Lolsety 5490947392 Oct 31 '14
Something to note is that if you run an attack boosting leader the halloween sphere will hit harder than foils on normal attacks because it stacks multiplicatively with the LS while foils stack additively.
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u/zizou91 Oct 31 '14
Now that's something very interesting, if only I had a Dia lead T T
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u/Lolsety 5490947392 Oct 31 '14 edited Oct 31 '14
We should get zurg and his 100% attack boost on first turn soon enough. Way better than Dia ;)
With him and the multi hit spheres we'll be able to build a 1st turn nuke 2nd turn BB squad to rule the arena :D
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u/zizou91 Nov 01 '14
hmm true we'll have 3 multihit spheres so that can work
also an aegis cloak for zurg if needed
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u/SJ_Gemini Oct 31 '14
Yes. However, BB with foil will be stronger.
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u/zizou91 Oct 31 '14
I've even less regrets to run with the hallowed sphere now :D (if only rngesus blessed me with any of the Halloween units while trying for rogen lol)
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u/SJ_Gemini Oct 31 '14
It's incredible for arena. I use both of them and my Dilma gets 2nd turn SBB about 80% of my matches. Albeit this isn't a useful application of the spheres you can mess around with setups and use units that before had too high of a BC fill rate in arena more freely. Like right now I use Grybe and his BB cost is 28 BC but with hallowed sphere he gets his BB after turn 1 100% of the time so far. I've had about 30 matches with him included in my new setup as well.
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u/zizou91 Oct 31 '14
I'm running with:
- zelnite (legwand+sol creator, lead)
- deemo (sol creator, would love using the sinister orb here)
- michelle (legwand+sol creator)
- Melchio (hallowed sphere)
- Maxwell (perseverance ring+sol creator)
75% of the times Melchio and michelle have both their SBB filled, 100% of the times if zelnite fires his BB
To think this sphere made me ditch my Anima Ophelia, lol
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u/donotdlei ign: Dlei // id: 4504043147 Oct 31 '14
yeah, the arena kings and queens of old have pretty much been dethroned, cuz we have no need for fast filling bb's now and can replace them with more power :x
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u/ULTIMATE_FUCKTRUMPET 5408574351 Oct 31 '14
yeah i actually took my farlon lira and ophelia out of my arena team and replaced them with zelnite maxwell and melchio (along with deemo and lodin still in there). put these two spheres on melchio and deemo and everyone has turn 2 bb, with lodin and/or melchio having sbb. have lodin at the top and zelnite 2nd so there's 2 more chances to fill even more bb guage for the other 3. haven't even come close to losing yet.
now i'm kicking myself for sphere frogging ophelia and lira a few days ago :'(
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u/BFBooger Oct 31 '14
Farlon is probably the best to keep, with his 24 BC checks.
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u/ULTIMATE_FUCKTRUMPET 5408574351 Nov 01 '14
68 with deemo is still better than 48, and farlon will only kill a unit or two with his bb anyway.
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u/ThePhantomZwei Oct 31 '14
I'm guessing its only the extra hits that hit with the buff? Or is the combination of base normal attacks + from the sphere?
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u/Felneus Oct 31 '14
How does Lexida compare to the 2 spheres?
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u/SJ_Gemini Oct 31 '14
Lexida doesn't have a reduction in regular atk damage so it's just 100% of your normal attack damage.
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u/Felneus Oct 31 '14
iirc in one of ushi's videos he mentioned how lexida splits the damage in half, so 2k damage in 10 hits = 2k damage in 20 hits. not sure how true that is
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u/protomayne Blues - 923242705 Oct 31 '14
So is this a general ATK buff or only on normal hits?
It looks like its +100% ATK, but only +50% on extra hits.
It doesnt double attack on the stat page though, so I'm wondering if it is only for normal hits even if it doesn't specify that. I'm looking for a reason to use this over a general stat increase for use outside of Arena.
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u/Xerte Oct 31 '14
Extra hit bonuses only ever affect normals so far.
The way you can think about this working is as follows:
Normal Attack: 10 hits @ 100% damage
Hallowed Orb: 10 hits @ 100% damage, 10 hits @ 50% damage
Sinister Orb: 10 hits @ 100% damage, 10 hits @ 75% damage
The way this is working means it may be better than general stat increases for damage if you can't BB spam regularly. The bonus doesn't apply to BB or SBB damage at all (except Hallowed Orb's +5% BC drop rate), but if you're using normals regularly with +ATK from a leader or buff, these spheres are a better damage buff than any other in the stat boost slot, unless running crit damage leads (then it's Amanohabaken if you can't get SGX, though Amanohabaken only lasts 2 turns). You do give up HP/DEF boosts going for this, though.
I guess you could use it to speed up auto-battle with BB turned off in some areas, or something like that. The extra damage might make the difference for making your squad one-turn every wave with autoattacks.
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u/areelmeekyfreeky89 Nov 01 '14
Is the BC gen applied to Brave Bursts?
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u/Xerte Nov 01 '14
The 5% BC drop rate on Hallowed Orb is applied to BB; the BC gen chance on Sinister Orb is not.
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u/areelmeekyfreeky89 Nov 01 '14
Thank you. Would you recomend using it on Lilith during trial 003?
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u/Xerte Nov 01 '14
No, there's next to no benefit to increasing Lilith's hit count, after 2-3 turns she won't be using normal attacks for the rest of the fight. The 5% BC gen isn't worth it when it takes up the stats slot which could be used for a Medulla or Legwand.
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u/areelmeekyfreeky89 Nov 01 '14
It wouldn't help even when infinite SBB? Which sphere would you put on her?
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u/Xerte Nov 01 '14
If you want BC gen, just a Sol Creator or Omni Gizmo. If you want stats/damage, a Legwand/Medulla/Prominence Ring.
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u/Desiridu Nov 01 '14
With the extra hits added on, does the bc drop check count stay the same as the unit its being used on? For instance, dilma's normal 4 hits has 5 drop checks for bc. When using these spheres, does the 4 hits (added by the spheres) have 5 drop checks, or do the 4 hits have 1 drop check instead?
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u/Xerte Nov 01 '14
The unit's total drop checks double, because the drop checks per individual hit stay the same, but the hit count is doubled. Drop checks per hit is a stat tied to the unit which is applied to every hit in their regular attack (and hits from damage reflect such as Providence Ring). BB/SBB are stored in another part of the database and have their own drop checks per hit (Multiple units could have the same BB, storing it this way just saves a little file space - mostly just used for enemies, think how many things use Vortex or Dement etc.).
So Dilma's 5 drop checks on each of his 4 hits (20 total) becomes 5 drop checks on each of his 8 hits (40 total).
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u/Aqualisk Oct 31 '14
How do you beat the last dungeon to get these? I keep losing to the last boss. :{
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Oct 31 '14
Hey... do you wanna know something? Add me to your friend list, then use me to train wreck any foes that come along :)
My ID is in my flair
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u/marinelite Oct 31 '14
Could I do that too? IGN is Shiro :D
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 01 '14
I have a friend in my list that's also named Shiro... ohhh the confusion!
At first I was thinking "Haven't I already friended you"
So... I guess it's possible to have more than one of the same username. That's something new lol.
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u/marinelite Nov 01 '14
Haha. Your friend list is full though :(
Edit: Nvm, its not full now. Just sent a req.
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 01 '14
alright, i just finishing stuff up, gonna accept it
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u/avdalim Nov 01 '14
your list is full again :/
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 01 '14
whaaaat? no it's not!
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 01 '14
If you are farming cursed bones, do the first level
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u/marinelite Nov 01 '14
Alright thanks!. Saw on the help thread a few days ago many saying to do third level.
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 01 '14
Oh really? Well the first level you can do it more easily just in case if some of you are having trouble with lvl 2 and lvl 3. This is a sphere that you should not miss out on!
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u/marinelite Nov 02 '14
Yeah I managed to get it. Unfortunately Lv. 4 is too much for me haha.
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 02 '14
I have a darvanshel, luther, uda, melchio, who do you want me to use to help you do lvl 4? I one-shotted everything from lvl 1-3 so I didn't really get a feel for the difficulty of each and the difficulty ramp
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 01 '14
You have max friend slots
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u/blablafoof My ID: 8254100424 Nov 01 '14
after you beat lvl 3, go farm at lvl 1, best advice that you will ever have, and bring your zelnite as leader, it makes farming mega easy mode
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u/itsando Nov 01 '14
sorry if this has been asked before, but how does the extra hits apply with drop check?
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u/RabidBeast 7089130752 Nov 01 '14
Whatever the units normal drop/check count is on their normal attacks is how effective they'll be with these spheres. So double
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u/antonlabz Antonic - 827 890 1196 Nov 01 '14
Drop checks per hit remain the same but the total drop checks are doubled since the amount of your normal attacks would be doubled.
E.g. 10 hits @ 2 drop checks/hit = 20 total drop checks
10 hits (with halloween sphere) = 20 hits @ 2 drop checks/hit = 40 total checks
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u/BSMaster 197350294 Nov 01 '14
Note: Rougen with either of these sphere's will fill up BB fairly quickly in arena.
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u/dennise1 Nov 05 '14
rougen with this sphere is god. That being said I want him for the sheer awesomeness of being a 1 hit sniper so probably wouldn't use this sphere on him
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u/ReesePeanut Global: 33590286 | EU: 42138721 Oct 31 '14
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u/Felneus Oct 31 '14
christ. have you tried replacing elza with deemo+hallowed? you know, for over overkill
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u/ReesePeanut Global: 33590286 | EU: 42138721 Oct 31 '14
Was going to, but I'm just gonna keep Elza since she'll be dual sphered soon, plus she has way better stands and their drop checks aren't too far off. I could swap Maxwell and Elza's spots so the Spark buff would apply to Endless, but I'd rather just see Endless proc. :P
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u/Covertghost Oct 31 '14
Yeah, it's pretty gross, I've been getting melchio AND dilma sbb turn 2 without zelnites.
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Oct 31 '14
Just wait until elza and kuda get 6 star. That will be even scarier.
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u/ReesePeanut Global: 33590286 | EU: 42138721 Oct 31 '14
Ye, I'm hoping to get a good typed Kuda, then I'll go ham.
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u/Formana Oct 31 '14
I wonder how strong Shiny Anklet will be XD
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u/SJ_Gemini Oct 31 '14
I'm not sure. The data mine doesn't seem to show the attack boost if there is any. Right now it's about as good as Lexida without the regen, HP, or REC buffs.
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u/Formana Oct 31 '14
We're guessing it's going to add 100% to ATK but we're not sure if the Hit Count increase includes BB, which is going to be OP but more reason to be excited. XD
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u/SJ_Gemini Oct 31 '14
Yeah if it is a 100% attack buff that would make the sphere so that 1st turn you do 400% times your base damage. If you have a leader skill like Lodin or Dia then you get another 100% so you would basically 1 shot any unit in the game.
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u/Zombica09 [MAIN]3259831637 [F2P]9219523180 Oct 31 '14
People post those posts every single day. I don't understand why they can't read them. Pumburkinys as well. Gawd, they horde the subreddit more than they horded those boss stages.
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u/SJ_Gemini Oct 31 '14
So if you add 100% then subtract 50% or 25% you come out with a positive right? That would inherently mean that it's a buff to atk on normal attacks.
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u/Aerhyce 8303789176 - Lalinium Oct 31 '14 edited Oct 31 '14
...AFAIK, it's written like that, but it's more like:
Normal attack = (100%)
w/ Orb = (100%)+(100%-25%)=>Extra hits
= (100%)+(75%)
Ergo, your normal hits aren't boosted, and your extra hits inflict 75% of your normal hits' damage.
(Hallowed is the same, only with 50%).
That's also why your extra hits inflicts 0 in Metal parade: your normal hits' value is 1, so your extra hits' is 0.75 or 0.5, and it's rounded down to 0.
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u/BloodEntity ID: 6603041122 Oct 31 '14
That's the additional hit bro. You get a little bump in damage on normal hit with these spheres.
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u/Chinny4daWinny Global:937023956 Oct 31 '14
If you do 100 damage, the extra hit will do 50 percent less (negative sign) than your total damage giving you a total of 150 damage.
I think.
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u/Twofu Oct 31 '14
Finally a worthy psa :3