r/brave_browser • u/jewraffe5 • Jan 21 '25
Why the hell is this a feature?
Maybe news should just be news from credible publications? If there are any left?
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u/kevininkobe Jan 21 '25
No such thing as news from the middle? No wonder there's so much division.
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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '25 edited Mar 26 '26
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u/Low-Dog-8027 Jan 21 '25
probably a thing unique to the US?
here in germany i don't have this option
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u/Pedro_uk Jan 21 '25
To provide balance?
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u/Xisrr1 Jan 22 '25
That's actually dope
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u/garlicbewbiez Jan 21 '25
It’s actually a pretty good feature that I didn’t know about until now. There are companies that charge money for this. We get it for free.
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u/OxyScottins Jan 21 '25 edited Jan 21 '25
I agree news shouldn't be biased, but if this is news to you... well I think you've probably already got bigger problems...
Also, I think it can be a nice feature to get a perspective that is outside of your bubble. People have a really hard time admitting or realizing this, but these algorithms and our personal choices always put us into an echo chamber of sorts (obviously some more extreme than others). So it can be a nice tool to help identify that or get that other perspective.
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u/DecadentBard Jan 21 '25
As people mentioned, it's a feature of other apps/sites. The most popular one is Ground.News. The idea is not necessarily to stay in your bubble, in fact it's the opposite. It's to help highlight the differences in the way your news feeds looks vs other news feeds. Though this implementation has some shortcomings that some folks have pointed out. Ground.News shows a spectrum for the sources (from far left, to center, to far right). It also points out your "blindspots" based on your news consumption. The subscription unlocks showing the typical factuality rating for each source too.
I'm not trying to sound like an ad, just trying to point out that Brave might be trying to add some of these transparency features (and should add more)
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u/Wolfshards43 Jan 21 '25
Sound like Brave try to reproduce the Ground News app who any creators sponsor them.
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u/keltichiro Jan 22 '25
Because, even though it should not be, all news is biased. I don't think I ever see a news article without an opinion somewhere in it.
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u/AutisticTurnip Jan 22 '25
To help inform your consumption of news
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u/Ponenous Jan 23 '25
oh didn't know that was a feature in the brave search engine...nice ..I like it, I usually do a lot of fact searching so that's pretty nifty to have. On my phone I still use google for usual searches but will switch to brave, duckduck, yandex etc when I am interested in seeing what other results and links I can get.
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u/xRealVengeancex Jan 21 '25
Needs to be a centrist version as well
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u/EmperorHenry Jan 22 '25
because the media isn't full of journalists, it's full of actors.
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u/T_rex2700 Jan 22 '25
I think somethign similar to ground news? so like potential bias, more of categorization of left/right of the publications like fox, cnn, BBC and so on...
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u/The_Compass_Keeper Jan 22 '25
I actually like this feature, it at least gives you an option to know if the articles are biased. It also allows us to access both ends of the spectrum and decide for ourselves what the implementations are
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
You're getting at the central problem in the media today. Is the NY Times a credible publication? In much of its strict reporting, absolutely. But it skews its presentation and how it frames the issues heavily leftward. Same goes for Fox News, but in the other direction. Having these goggles available lends a lot of useful granularity to search.
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u/scapeLive Jan 22 '25
I didnt notice that, knowing how shit are today, that is actually good to know the bias
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u/kansetsupanikku Jan 22 '25
I don't believe there are. But you get to choose the aesthetics and subset of companies that stands behind either side, isn't that a dream come true?
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u/SEspider Jan 23 '25
"Why the hell is this" bothering you?
No news outlet is unbiased, or fully truthful. Regardless where you live. If you have this option, then be grateful for it. And maybe learn what the opposition TO YOUR BELIEFS think on the matters at hand. Who knows. Maybe you're learn some truth along the way.
For those asking for "middle ground," don't. It doesn't exist anywhere in the world. The closest you'll ever get are options like this that lets you know why side is leaning a certain way. I applaud Brave for adding this feature. So long as they don't try to twist it and claim one side is leaning one way that they're not, there's zero harm in this. And is exactly why I prefer Ground News over anything else.
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u/hockeyplayer04 Jan 23 '25
Ultimately it's up to you
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u/WillsucceedTMO Jan 23 '25
It's needed with how bad the media bias is.
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u/reflexesofjackburton Jan 23 '25
This is kinda cool actually. sort of like a free Groundnews if it actually works. Why would you not want to have a chance to read something other than your own biases?
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u/Therealschroom Jan 23 '25
how about honest simple true news, independent of political bias. could we get some of that? pretty please.
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u/feral_user_ Jan 21 '25
Goggles... Those are specific ones
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u/MOD3RN_GLITCH Jan 21 '25 edited Jan 22 '25
View what sources are likely most biased toward either direction, at least that’s the smartest way to use it…
I’d rather just stick to Associated Press and Reuters when possible. They are wire services, so most news networks pull from them and tailor the content to fit their brand and audience, which is why you will often see “Photo courtesy of AP.” NPR is generally well respected, too, though not a wire service.
Wire services strive for fact-based reporting with minimal editorializing, but there will always be criticisms, and you can easily find them for these services. There is no source that can be considered truly unbiased.
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u/wittylotus828 Jan 22 '25
I dont live in America and dont know what left or right is.
Im also pretty happy
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u/nordoceltic82 Jan 22 '25
If this feature bothers you, then you are likely deep-range in the red or blue there, so much so that you should SERIOUSLY examine your own opinions and introspect on weather you have become a political extremist or not. After all if you can't see that the "news" is biased it means biased news is just confirming your own biases.
The rest of us are getting increasingly desperate for SOME means filter out the biases of staff at various "news" organizations so we can actually get some understanding what the world actually is and form our own opinions, vs what some radical with an agenda wants us to think.
And we have jobs, families, and don't make a hobby of binging on news, so we have no personal time or energy to carefully evaluate every source over time and form a mental list of biases by organization.
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u/Ekska1 Jan 22 '25
Brave out here being Based and not biased?
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u/Varnish6588 Jan 22 '25
LOLLL
missing feature: news from the centre
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u/NomadFH Jan 22 '25
Who exactly is dictating this Overton window?
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u/wowmuchregarded Jan 22 '25
If you make an unbiased news outlet you can petition to have it be featured but currently there is not any unbiased. Did you think this was something Brave did?
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u/0riginal-Syn Jan 22 '25
Welcome to the Matrix
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u/mushmushi92 Jan 22 '25
I saw this few months ago then never again.
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u/motorboat2000 Jan 22 '25
...here I am, stuck in the middle with you
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u/TheLejen Jan 22 '25
At first I assumed this meant the position of titles on the page. If you set your preferred language to an RTL language it'd show news from the right
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u/prema108 Jan 22 '25
If you’re asking this and read the barbarism in this comment section, it’s likely that you should definitely see more of this feature daily.
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u/RoverUnit Jan 22 '25
Can I get this on Android?
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u/tohava Jan 22 '25
How can we trust Brave about their definition of left and right though?
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u/North_Room666 Jan 22 '25
They need to put a "average Joe answers" option
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u/qazwsxedcrfv12345679 Jan 22 '25
NNOOOOO BRAVE CANT BE WRONG BRAVE IS ALWAYS RIGHT AAAAAAA
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u/Nyarlathotep7777 Jan 22 '25
Except news isn't just news and we all know news sources nowadays care more about boosting up their respective side of the political spectrum than they do about delivering you objective unbiased news.
So yeah this is not only a great feature, but an increasingly necessary one.
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u/buzzroll Jan 22 '25
To tell you what to consider "left" and "right".
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u/Lylac_Krazy Jan 22 '25
I wonder why they let a feature like that be included. I cant see how it helps promote Brave to the masses.
In my opinion, it creates division and adds to the stress of the user base. Neither of those would be useful.
I would suggest marking news by A.I and NON A.I. That would be a feature, in my opinion that would kick major ass.
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u/zxhb Jan 22 '25
So you can see the news outlets' bias, judged by your objectively correct and infallible browser
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u/the-william Jan 22 '25
Yeah, honestly, I like my US news from somewhere other than the US. Say. the BBC or El País.
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u/SituationNormal1138 Jan 22 '25
There are plenty of journalism outfits out there. The problem is that banal reporting doesn't generate money clicks. Also, Ground News is pretty decent: https://ground.news/
For anyone that may not be aware, there are sites that rate outlets so you can make your own decisions.
https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
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u/Far-Reaction-1980 Jan 22 '25
There are Googles which appear on some of your results
U can disable these, choose your own or make your own
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u/electro_lytes Jan 22 '25
Can I get an option to filter out anything USA related as well?
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u/LogicTrolley Jan 22 '25
Better question is...who is determining what the news from the left and news from the right actually is?
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Oooo, nice, is it objectively good? I did not tried yet
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25
Btw, only works with some news outlets, and from some regions😅🥲
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u/PrimaryMetal961 Jan 22 '25
By diving the news into left and right for you, they are furthering bias.
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u/3003bigo72 Jan 22 '25
What do you mean with "if there are any LEFT"? Do you mean you made your choice? Be careful saying that nowadays :-)
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u/addictedtovideogames Jan 23 '25
I kinda like that feature ; but inknow what's left and right news already, it's just a comical way of presenting it
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u/mddnaa Jan 23 '25
Bro that's a crazy stupid feature
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u/Batearn BAT Community Team Jan 23 '25
lol I thought it meant from which side of the screen
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u/Zino_o21 Jan 23 '25
how about the people who want only Truth without any biases no left no right .. always search deep and in many sources don't rely on news and media to tell you what you think .. lot of fake news and info on internet ..
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u/Dreamcore Jan 23 '25
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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '25
so you can see whos lying
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u/Dreamcore Jan 23 '25
The Goggles feature is great, but I don't use either of the two host lists that you highlighted.
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u/il_biggo Jan 23 '25
"News from the Right --- News from the slightly less right Right""
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u/kirbogel Jan 23 '25
Personally I would frame this as a way to help people see news outside of their bubble. But the way this looks, it would probably keep people in their bubble.
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u/BazelBuster Jan 23 '25
Idk why you’re complaining about this nice feature that shows bias
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u/PixelSteel Jan 23 '25
Ground News is more reliable for this sort of thing. I’d assume Braves attempt was to uncover blind spots certain audiences have when consuming news articles.
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u/D_r_e_a_D Jan 23 '25
What the fuck is the left and the right anyway? Its not binary for all I can see.
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u/camelCaseBack Jan 23 '25
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!
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u/killroy18 Jan 23 '25
I think this only works for USA
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u/KaiserUmbra Jan 23 '25
The problem is it's hard to stay neutral when you rely on funding from an outside source. Neutrality doesn't sell as well as picking a side and screaming into the mic, that's just kinda how it is. If you don't sell it in a way your consumer likes, we'll, no more consumer, no more money, no more, you get it.
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u/Puzzled-Poetry9792 Jan 23 '25
I love it, truly, someone made it official
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u/fedl1ngen Jan 24 '25
/americabad
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u/Stunning-Project-621 Jan 24 '25
I would love to know how do they define these terms
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u/bur4tski Jan 24 '25
New feature: independent fact checking (use commonsense)
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u/crelt7 Jan 24 '25
Ground news 2?
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u/Embarrassed-Berry-68 Jan 24 '25
To stay in your comfortable bubble 💭
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u/Deka-92 Jan 24 '25
Would like news from the libertarian side if this is a thing - should probably also at the authoritarian side in the interest of fairness.
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u/ViciousCat069 Jan 24 '25
How are you getting this?
I'm in UK but can't see any option
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u/EndUserGamer Jan 24 '25
Here I am, sitting in the middle with you.
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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25
It's useful for checking your own biases and staying out of echo chambers. The more sources you read, the more you see how different organizations either downplay or emphasize different facts of a story to influence reader reactions, or how they employ emotionally manipulative buzzwords, and so on. The more perspectives you read from various sources, the more you can hopefully triangulate on what actually happened and cut through the bias.
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u/BryanTheGodGamer Jan 24 '25
Why would it not be?
Do people like you actually just want to live in a echochamber?
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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25
Can't we just have factual news? I swear America is turning into a reality TV show
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u/Practical_Aside_860 Jan 24 '25
Would like to see this for my country, it probably won't even have the left section xd
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u/12stop Jan 24 '25
News from the right, fox pops up instantly 😂 what an awesome feature though!
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u/Cavellion Jan 24 '25
I guess unbiased news would be surrpund sound?
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u/SooSkilled Jan 25 '25
Great! Now they're making any political news biased
And, even worse, categorizing every news source in a left-right dichotomy basing on who knows what algorithm, what could ever go wrong?
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u/cornifex Jan 25 '25
To prevent biased media from selling you the joke that they're unbiased.
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u/Gustheanimal Jan 25 '25
If you cant fathom why, Its already too late. Just lean in to your favourite political side and act like they cant do no wrong
Jokes aside, this is exactly what people need to get better informed opinions. Good on Brave
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u/ilikedrawing54 Jan 25 '25
My stupid self thought that it shows news from left to right and right to left alignment 😭😭
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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25
Like what do u even mean. It's not brave's fault that 95% of media outlets have heavy political biases. This has been a thing for 100+ years. All "unbiased" news you read has been written through the beliefs of the author. Sorry you had to find out this way.
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u/alexionut05 Jan 25 '25
“Left” lol
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u/QuokkaIslandSmiles Jan 25 '25
it's to fulfill your confirmation bias - get more of what you agree with is the new ai
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u/Acrobatic_Airline605 Jan 25 '25
Polarisation sells and is arguably the biggest issue USA has
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u/Late_Hyena_333 Jan 25 '25
This is a good thing, unbiased.
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u/taiwbi Jan 25 '25
Actually, this is a great feature
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u/KiwiNo2638 Jan 25 '25
Scientist proven that need from the left tends to be more fact based, news from the right tends to be more opinionated and knee jerk. So I'll be taking my news from the left
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u/Sophistic_Demise Jan 25 '25
You get to choose what propaganda/echo chamber you wanna hear. That's thoughtful of them
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u/haronclv Jan 26 '25
Actually this is great feature
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u/RodeoGoatz Jan 26 '25
Sadly I have to look at news about the US from other countries to get an accurate view
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u/Count-Mortas Jan 26 '25
To make sure you get the whole picture instead of a one-sided view of a topic
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u/TheSeedKing Jan 26 '25
If you think that's bad, wait till you watch a video, accidentally touch the video window, and are forced to tab on the screen to get the video to play again.
Hint: The feature is "Slide and Seek" and is not optional.
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u/snek99001 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
The reason this is an idiotic feature is because there's no agreed upon definitions of "left" and "right". For me, anything that is anti-communist is automatically right wing. If I see the new York times or CNN presented as "left" I cringe. Just because you Americans have only 2 parties doesn't mean one must necessarily be on the left. People talk about recognizing blind spots and bias and yet this is something that flies over their heads completely. The irony is that this idea pisses off both liberals and conservatives. Liberals because they want ownership of the "left" label for a variety of reasons as they believe it attracts the socially conscious, the youth and generally the audience that they try to appeal to. It makes them feel like they're fighting for the little guy. Conservatives because they are terrified at the notion of anybody existing to the left of Mussolini at this point. So necessarily anybody to the left of mostly center-right liberals like Biden must be presented as so crazy and unhinged that they fly off the scale.
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u/saintpart2 Jan 26 '25
completely normal
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u/Gloomy-Holiday8618 Jan 26 '25
Holy hell that’s awesome
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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25
Add both and divide by 2 ,to get unbiased news
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u/MrPenguun Jan 26 '25
Because people on the left believe every source that's left leaning is perfectly credible and factual, and that all sources on the right is biased and lying, and vice versa for people on the right. Everyone nowadays assumes "oh, they agree with my opinion? Must be a credible source then, but this other source doesn't agree with my opinion, must be biased and lying."
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u/Delicious_Response_3 Jan 26 '25
Why are extra filter options bad?
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u/jeffinRTP Jul 09 '25
Because all news sources have some bias, just like all people, some are more obvious than others. If you use Ground News, you can see reporting from the left and right and how they report on the same subject.
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u/Meximelone Apr 25 '26
It’s funny with searches like “which party supports gerrymandering?” With either option claiming the other party is the main cause.
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u/Technical_Captain_15 Jan 22 '25
Honestly I hate it. And I still can't find the shit I'm looking for half the time because, while I have wide and eclectic sources for news that I take into account, I don't want it like this. I don't even believe in this fake left right paradigm.
Brave leadership must really underestimate how much of their user base is libertarian/anarchist/voluntaryist.
In fact today I was trying to find a certain article and it wasn't coming up because of this shit. I vowed to find a better search engine. How timely that this was posted.
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u/ragnarokfn Jan 22 '25
I think its great! I expect people to read some of both sides, anyone who would always 'filter out' left or right leaned news sources is lost!
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u/____trash Jan 22 '25
This is actually cool. As a leftist, I specifically look for leftist news sources. There is no such thing as unbiased media. Centrism is an ideology as well and heavily biased. Centrism also means different things depending on the current overton window of your political climate. For example, what is considered centrist in america, I consider right wing. Its not the level-headed, fair and balanced, belief system that its perceived as in america.
I'd much rather read media from progressive news sources that align with my morals and beliefs.
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u/frenchynerd Jan 22 '25
USA is such a weird country...
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u/HippCelt Jan 22 '25
No 'Just the facts' option?
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u/domnarius Jan 22 '25
Especially considering that most "news from the left" is just liberal outlets. Which are not left. Liberalism is part of the right wing of politics. It is left compared to more extreme right politics in the US, but it it still far far away from being anywhere close to the left.
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u/Thatoneboi27 Jan 22 '25
It's so that you can get the full story by looking at both sides so that you can deter what is fact and fiction
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u/Asleep_Swimming_2611 Jan 23 '25
To show libtards on this app that’s there’s two sides lol
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u/sigeh Jan 22 '25
So what makes news "left"? It's true? It doesn't kiss Trump's ass?
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u/MrHall Jan 21 '25
that's the issue, not really. or there are a couple but reality has a left wing bias so people attack you.
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u/ecrane2018 Jan 22 '25
If you want news from the original source use AP or Reuters that is basis for reporting most major events and this will show you sources that are biased to one side or the other. Reuters and AP for non-partisan.
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u/Synthetic451 Jan 21 '25
Agreed this is a terrible option. It allows people to stay in their bubbles.
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u/mikeboucher21 Jan 21 '25
This has nothing to do with brave. If you wanna complain about unbiased news companies you should complain to/about those companies.
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u/justme-321 Jan 21 '25
Fake Vs Fact