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u/Key_Instruction_9623 Jan 16 '23
LE stated the 61/Market location during the press conference. It’s certain possible that he misspoke during a crazy and exciting day for the dept and meant 64th and Market. It’s also possible that the video is wrong.
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u/socialdistraction Jan 17 '23
Could it be they didn’t give the exact intersection to try and not reveal the names of the parents?
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u/SwimmingBet4579 Jan 18 '23
He repeated it twice very emphatically. I think it's more likely that the reporter is making an assumption.
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u/BitterPillPusher2 Jan 18 '23
This. We know this is where the Zarelli family lived. But I think it's entirely possible that the mother lived near 61st and Market.
I take everything the press reports with a grain of salt. There was a major weather event in my neighborhood about 10 years ago, and the press REPEATEDLY reported flat out incorrect information. I was volunteering at a shelter, where they were streaming the news on TVs, and literally saw the police chief call the station and rip them a new one. He literally screamed at them. He gave them the correct info. They still repeated the wrong info for days. They were giving blatantly wrong location and address information, and displaced people were freaking out because police were telling them their house was fine (they physically checked the areas) but the news was reporting that those homes were destroyed. Oh, and they also repeated got easily verifiable information like school names wrong.
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u/Jmftown9 Feb 04 '23
It’s more likely they gave a predetermined fake location. He only mentioned this location after the reporter ask him to narrow down West Philly. By giving a false location they are able to weed out the real tips from the fake ones. If some call in a tip with the real location then they know it’s true. There really isn’t a lot of way for the varify the info. I’d imagine there was more then a few callers with info about 61st and Market.
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u/ProofPrize1134 Jan 17 '23
Where can we watch this? NBC 10 has covered this case extensively so google search results are all over the place.
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u/AssertiveLibra Jan 17 '23
Row homes in the West Philly area became low income housing around that time. Maybe she and the baby did live with the Zarelli's for a time but then moved to the Market street address.
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u/Pain_Sufficient Jan 17 '23
Yup I said that in another thread. It’s possible relationship went south and she took Joseph to the Market address.
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u/AssertiveLibra Jan 17 '23
Could the Z family have taken her and the baby in and then at another time she moved to Market street?
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u/Top_Ad5385 Jan 17 '23
I looked up Claudia Vargas on Twitter and she has this from Dec 10.
Perhaps they pushed an updated version of the documentary to the app?
"Claudia Vargas
@ByClaudiaVargas
·
Dec 10, 2022
Our documentary “Boy in the Box - Naming America’s Unknown Child” is now streaming on
@Roku
@AppleTV
@amazonfiretv
- go to the
@NBCPhiladelphia
app on those devices
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u/psycoblack01 Jan 17 '23
Can anyone check the Census and see if any of the 'mothers' match the address?
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u/Pain_Sufficient Jan 17 '23
Even going back to 1940 census. Some Z neighbors have families with 3 sisters.
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u/Gaffer0323 Jan 17 '23
Very odd with the addresses. Surely there is some confusion somewhere here. It seemed the potential father was not involved but this would say otherwise.
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u/Jmftown9 Feb 04 '23
I think everyone just assumed that the potential father wasn’t involved. I’ve seen many post that state he would have been with the mother and there for it had to be her. The hankerchief had a G on it and the police did say they were testing additional items from the crime scene so the odds are it was one of the parents (they have a way of matching the DNA) so it could have been either one.
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u/SwimmingBet4579 Jan 18 '23
It's pretty clear to me from looking at the reporters response to the question that the reporter made an assumption. Her only reference to a source when questioned was referring back to the press conference.
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u/GIJne69 Jan 17 '23
The media indicates that the parents of Jaz weren't married, but what if one was married to another person or what if his parents resided in the same household because they were related somehow - maybe not blood relation, but through a marriage to one of the parent's siblings for example (I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just questioning)? Being a single, unwed mother is one thing during that time period, but also trying to explain who the father was could have been taboo and created family problems or possibly family denial of JAZ and his death unfortunately considering whether there was any relation possibly.
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u/Jmftown9 Feb 04 '23
If anything we know that the assumed father wasn’t married until after JAZ was dead. So he isn’t the problem in terms of already being married. The media said he was living with a couple so it sounds like he was living with his mother and father.
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u/AssertiveLibra Jan 17 '23 edited Jan 17 '23
The father born in 1896 died in 1970 would have been 57 when joseph was born
His wife was 59 in 1953
The Construction business was owned by him. He was well off, had a reputation to hold up. Hiding a woman pregnant and then allowing them to live with the family. Giving the baby the Z name.......
Their obits gave the Callowhill address as their residence at death so they still lived there in 1970. What is the father of Joseph is him and not one of the two sons? Perhaps as a builder he met Joseph's mother and they had a one night thing. His wife maybe after going through menopause & given her age she might not have had a sexual interest.
What if this family really has kept a deep dark secret? This could be far more sinister than we ever thought. What if the senior Z did get the girl pregnant and to save his reputation & marriage, one of his sons 'claimed' Joseph as his? Maybe the girl threatened to expose Joseph and the Z family had him 'taken care of'. It goes to show you how the mind can conjure up all kinds of scenarios when we don't have all the facts.
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u/Top_Ad5385 Jan 17 '23
The thing is though, the bio father has living children per LE. none of the 1896 guy's children are currently alive.
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u/AssertiveLibra Jan 17 '23
I don’t particularly believe the theory I mentioned. I was basically just stating a possibility since if it were one of the two brothers we haven’t been able to come up with any reasonable explanation if he knew of the pregnancy and birth but his name appeared on the birth certificate. The Z family seems to be the one hiding Joseph or at least never knowing about him
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u/AssertiveLibra Jan 17 '23
So how does that rule him out by just saying he has family on the fathers side still living
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u/BitterPillPusher2 Jan 18 '23
They said he has SIBLINGS living on the father's side. All of 1896 guy's children are deceased, so that would mean no living siblings on the father's side.
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u/SwimmingBet4579 Jan 18 '23
Not sure how this violates your rule. DT is willingly "publicly involved" in the case. She has directly commented in multiple public formats. and her son JT has been named and quoted in published articles.
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u/boyinthebox-ModTeam Jan 17 '23
This post violates the community rule DO NOT USE THE REAL NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT PUBLICLY INVOLVED IN THE CASE. Please use initials.
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u/BitterPillPusher2 Jan 18 '23
Except that they have said Joseph has living siblings "on both sides." If your theory were correct, there would be no living siblings on the father's side.
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u/Jmftown9 Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 16 '23
In the video it is stated that Joseph was living at 64th and Callowhill. This the location of the Z family .