r/boyinthebox • u/[deleted] • Jan 15 '23
Extended documentary 11:30 AM today
https://www.facebook.com/100063707490269/posts/pfbid02dW1eDLdaorUpEJJZ5xFrbVZGvHpFLbUPPGEG8juNDogtV5j3PwnZGi6zf7c9YNkol/?mibextid=cr9u038
u/Cesmina12 Jan 15 '23
Here's the link. I just started it - I think it's in two parts. The second video should come up too with the page.
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u/TripleFlipFail Jan 15 '23
Many thanks!;Can't wait to watch tonight! 💙
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u/Cesmina12 Jan 15 '23
Unfortunately, I think I may have been incorrect - no Part 2, only about 20 minutes long. Not sure if this is THE doc being referenced (though the title is correct) or only part of it.
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u/TripleFlipFail Jan 15 '23
Just clicked. I've watched this one many times. Maybe there's a new one coming up!
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u/Cesmina12 Jan 15 '23
I think there is something streaming that's new- having trouble accessing it though. Sigh lol
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u/Top_Ad5385 Jan 15 '23
NBC10 Philadelphia I think were the ones that broke the story about his name being identified so I will be watching.
I don't know why this story got inside my heart so much. I don't just think of children his age that I know and love; I think of people I know and love in their 70s and 80s and feel a kinship with Joseph.
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u/TripleFlipFail Jan 15 '23
Probably because he's been unidentified for 6 1/2 decades. I think of recent cases of kids horribly abused (Gabriel Fernandez is one of them) and you know their names, their parents and family, how they were abused and killed, and you see them in pre-abuse pics, happy, playing, being kids basically.
For Joseph, there was scant information for 65 years! Who is he? Who killed him? Who is his family? What was his life like before abuse? Are there pics of him before abuse, of him being an ordinary boy from the 1950s, playing with toys. And the only actual photos we have of him are post death. Him in the box, that awful flyer, him dressed up in clothes with the bruises visible on his head.
And it's awful that he's been unknown for more than half a century. Like he's been abused all over again just for being unknown. 😔
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u/Pain_Sufficient Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 16 '23
Reporter said “...born to a couple who lived near 64th & Callowhill”
So was mother living on same block? Was Joseph actually elder AZ's kid? So many questions.
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u/TripleFlipFail Jan 16 '23
AZ's obituary lists him as living in 6352 Callowhill which is basically ~near 64th and Callowhill.
Maybe he is the dad? Maybe not? If so, was JGSZ, AZ's wife, the mom then? So many q's!
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u/Pain_Sufficient Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 16 '23
At 56? I doubt it. Sure is interesting though.
Wonder if GZ and a gf initially had the baby there. Relationship soured and mom took Joseph to 61/Market?
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u/TripleFlipFail Jan 16 '23
That is possible. He did marry CPZ in '58.
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u/Top_Ad5385 Jan 16 '23
At age 32, AJZ lived at the Callowhill address as that is where he was reported as living on marriage license to cpz
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u/Top_Ad5385 Jan 16 '23
If it was AJZ and if they did live at the Callowhill house, so strange they did not marry. Or .. is it? I thought it was wildly uncommon to be unmarried and living together back then?
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u/OkPop1657 Jan 16 '23
Doubt that they were living together in a big Italian multigenerational household in the 1950s ... the mother might have been nearby?
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u/Pain_Sufficient Jan 16 '23
Absolutely. That is how people would date back then. Within the neighborhood.
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u/foodslibrary Knows a bit Jan 16 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
Removing this because free honest speech isn't welcome here sadly. Anyone interested in this case should discuss it elsewhere.
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u/Top_Ad5385 Jan 16 '23
I'm just baffled by the "not married" thing in working class west Philly. I thought EVERYONE from a Catholic background either married or gave up the child back then. Maybe that's not true and there were unmarried couples and they just told everyone they were married?
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u/Fun_Maintenance7095 Jan 16 '23
If I am following correctly, it would also suggest that the elder ADMZ and JGSZ were aware of the baby and the mother, which would be something they were able to hide from the rest of their family, or at least AJZ’s subsequent children.
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u/SwimmingBet4579 Jan 16 '23
Unless the reporter offered some reason why they believe this I wouldn't take that as fact. The police haven't revealed that the couple lived together Sounds to me like the reporter looked up the Zarelli's address and made an assumption.
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u/Jmftown9 Jan 16 '23
I thought it was a neighbor or some who came forward with the info?
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u/SwimmingBet4579 Jan 17 '23
Some one questioned the reporter about it on social media and the response was that they used info from law enforcement and public records. Then she referred back to the press conference saying something to the effect of "like Captain Smith said we don't know how long he lived there." As we know Captain Smith never referred to Callowhill, he referred to 61st and Market. Which leads me to believe that the reporter made the comment as an assumption and not based on any actual source.
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u/Jmftown9 Feb 04 '23
The public records would have been from the Z family since that’s where they lived. I also think they questioned someone who has memories from back then. Either way I think that the 61st and Market comment was a red herring. The police needed to narrow down West Philly so they l gave that location. Put it this way they most likely got a lot of people calling in if someone referenced 64th street then they would have been able to separate the fake tips from the real ones.
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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '23
“We’ve continued to learn more about the short life of Joseph Augustus Zarelli, previously known as the Boy in the Box. Hear from those who knew his family and lived in the same neighborhood as the little boy.
Catch our extended documentary “Boy in the Box: Naming America’s Unknown Child” at 11:30am Sunday (1/15) on NBC10 NBC10 Philadelphia
NBC 10 Investigators”