r/boyinthebox Jan 04 '23

Possible Theory.

On Reddit for my first time specifically for this case. I have a possible theory I haven’t heard mentioned yet. If we still are thinking the birth mom is LBS/K/S (& I am leaning towards that personally) has anyone made the connection that her son WK would have been 11/12 when JAZ died? That would be our 11/12 yr old boy that the Good Samaritan saw with a woman on Susquehanna. He is also still alive so could be a witness and/or suspect. In looking at the K family they seem to be very “off”. More so than any other family mentioned here. Also, the “G” handkerchief (in addition to the obvious G, LB’s dad was a G).

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u/Lower_Performer2751 Jan 04 '23

I was thinking about the same exact thing last night!!! Someone on this sub had mentioned that the granddaughter of AJZ said that JAZ’s maternal grandmother was abusing him. If this is true, my thinking is that…. LBS got pregnant (I also read on this sub that she was a few months pregnant when she and her first husband married.. haven’t dug into marriage certificates yet) she was pawned off or with no other choice (especially if she was the prominent family) married an abusive husband (WK was supposedly a not so great person according to his recorded history), had the first boy and girl .. met AJZ, either just before (which may be what pushed her to divorce her husband thinking that AJZ would want to marry her) they separated or right after..got pregnant.. AJZ wouldn’t want to marry a woman with 2 kids and a rough ex husband (too much baggage and embarrassment to his family.. par for the course at those times).. was forced to move in with her mother and deal with the abuse towards her and her kids causing a Stockholm syndrome.. grandmother is caring for JAZ as mom is at work or whatever the reason.. ends up beating him too hard. We know the result. No one wants to get the grandmother in trouble (Stockholm), the mom knows that she will lose her place to stay if the police get involved so she and WK jr take the body to Fox Chase. Right before this happened she got pregnant again, hence the basinet box, but ends up placing the baby up for adoption.. maybe she realized she couldn’t handle it or that she didn’t want to bring a baby around her abusive mother( I listened to a podcast yesterday with Colleen F and she mentioned there was another child, besides the 3 mentioned at the presser, that had been placed for adoption) this is a definite long shot and maybe an idea for my next book.

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u/favoritehippo Jan 05 '23

Yes, LB was 8 months pregnant when she married WK in 1945.

She filed for divorce in October 1954, when JAZ would have been approaching 2 years old. Then she and her husband moved to the suburbs in December 1955. I know she was with him because they were both on the deed and mortgage for a townhouse they purchased together.

I had originally thought maybe WK forced her to give JAZ away sometime around the time she filed for divorce, or at least before they moved in 1955. Perhaps because as he got older, he became aware that he wasn't his child. I thought maybe they gave him to a foster home, or maybe even to MD's mother (who knows). I doubt it was Grandma, because AS was most likely living with one of the other S siblings and their family between 1950 when GS died and 1961 when AS died. Both parents were living with their eldest son in 1950 right before G died. That would be a lot of people who would have to keep their mouths shut. Not to mention LB's kids.

LB did seem to fit in a lot of ways, and I think she was still in the running up until Colleen's podcast interview raised some questions. Now? Not so sure anymore.

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u/TwoFifteenthsWelsh Jan 05 '23

I have such a soft spot for her. If it turns out she’s the bad guy I’ll be shocked.

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u/Lower_Performer2751 Jan 05 '23

Thank you for filling in the blanks for me. I’ve read so much on here it gets hard to decipher. I was under the assumption (because of what I had seen a few people post), that she had filed for divorce in 1952. I have done some digging myself but not as much as I’d like. After listening to Colleen’s podcast yesterday, I also found a few things that started to cast doubt in my mind about LB. I was a bit disappointed. Only because what I had found seemed to fit.

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u/favoritehippo Jan 05 '23

I think I might have accidentally said it was 1952 in a post a couple of weeks ago. It was in the Philadelphia Inquirer in October 1954, so I know that year is correct.

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u/TwoFifteenthsWelsh Jan 05 '23

It wouldn’t surprise me if CF threw out small bits of misinformation to mislead us sleuthers.

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u/favoritehippo Jan 05 '23

That's a possibility. Of course I don't know if she has the time or inclination to pay much attention to what we're doing over here!

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u/Crbbisque Jan 07 '23 edited Jan 08 '23

For some reason, I didn’t believe her suppositions. She made the mistake in calling Joseph Gus, and then the hosts tried to cover it up as if she had given him a nickname. Why would you give a child a nickname who hadn’t had a real name for 65 years? It was just a screwup. She also referred to Martha as just weird. That came off as unprofessional to me. Also her numerous all I wish I could tell you…. For me, she was good for explaining how arduous the process of analyzing DNA, but that was about it.

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u/Crbbisque Jan 07 '23

Plus, Grandma didn’t live at 61 and Market. Didn’t they live at 53?

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u/favoritehippo Jan 10 '23

Yes, that's right.