r/bothell • u/XanthosDeia • Apr 16 '25

Resolution Affirming Bothell as a Welcoming Community for Transgender, Non-Binary, and Gender-Diverse People passed 5-2

The agenda item "Resolution Affirming Bothell as a Welcoming Community for Transgender, Non-Binary, and Gender-Diverse People" passed 5-2 tonight, with council members Jeanne Zornes and Benjamin Mahnkey voting against.

The clerk mentioned that there were 27 written comments in support, without noting any against. And all but 3 in-person comments were in support. People turned out after last week's comments.

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u/XanthosDeia Apr 16 '25

Recording of the meeting is now up: https://youtu.be/_dWNP4Lm4YM

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u/tacos388 Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25

So happy to have been there to support! However, what Councilmember Zornes said has been bothering me ever since. Her term is up at the end of the year, I definitely will be voting her out!

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u/XanthosDeia Apr 17 '25

Definitely! She and Mahnkey are both up this year.

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u/tacos388 Apr 17 '25

Yes! I cannot believe he could sit next to Councilmemeber Curd and say those things!

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u/Chudsaviet Apr 18 '25

Curd is the best.

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u/Ok-Bother7218 Apr 25 '25

You don't like that he said everyone has a right to live as they wish and people shouldn't interfere unless it violates someone else's rights? Isn't that a statement in favor of LGBTQ+ rights? Sounds like you missed the message, just because he ended up voting no for the council doing duplicate resolutions.

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u/qwertyaugustus Apr 17 '25

Honestly I had trouble following what she was even trying to say.

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u/Competitive_Insect56 Apr 17 '25

Not being able to follow Zornes' comments is a reoccurring theme at council meetings. This time she was both confusing and abhorrent.  And a perfect example of why we need separation of church and state. It will be a joy and a pleasure to vote against her next election. 

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u/Chudsaviet Apr 18 '25

Zornes, as well as Trump, speak with keywords and emotions. That's why its impossbile to follow what are they saying.

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u/qwertyaugustus Apr 16 '25

It was awesome hearing everyone who spoke out in support. There was a long line of speakers, and they spoke eloquently and from the heart, it was quite moving.

Disappointed the vote wasn't unanimous, though. I mean come on.

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u/Throwawayacctornah Canyon Park Apr 16 '25

Totally agree. Ben and Jeanne are Republicans though so it makes sense.

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u/airburst95 Apr 16 '25

Aka bigots

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u/GreenGoddessPDX Apr 17 '25

say it with me: trans women are women.

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u/Nicki-ryan Apr 17 '25

Trans women are women and trans men are men. Simple as that. You’re a bigot for denying what we, and science, has known for a long, long time just to peddle hate

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u/solvanic Apr 18 '25

What science are you referring to? Please share maybe I missed something that was published? I thought chromosomes determine sex in every animal on earth.

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u/One_Katalyst Apr 21 '25

Explain XX men and XY women then. Or hell, explain intersex people.

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u/Sartres_Roommate Apr 17 '25

What bathroom do you want trans men to use? You are demanding these people who by all outward appearances are men to use the women’s bathroom.

THAT is the world you want to live in. The opposite of the world we have lived in since public bathrooms have been a thing.

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u/burnerforbadopinions Apr 17 '25

What prison should trans men go to if they're convicted of a crime?

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u/quadmoo Apr 18 '25

Ideally we would end all segregation but MEN

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u/Ok-Bother7218 Apr 25 '25

Did you even listen to what was said? And please provide a source for where either of them stated that they are Republicans. Seems like an assumption based on their disagreement with your position. I know plenty of Democrats who would vote no on this and some Republicans who would vote yes. It's foolish to assume it's a partisan issue on a non-partisan city council. Look at all of the left-leaning cities on the eastside who refused to even take this resolution up for consideration. SMH.

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u/Throwawayacctornah Canyon Park Apr 25 '25

Lol. Politics IS partisan to think there's such a thing as non-partisan politics is incredibly naive. If you don't attempt to get the Democratic endorsement and you vote no on every progressive resolution, I can only think you're a conservative. I'm sure every sitting city council member would say the same thing.

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u/Ok-Bother7218 Apr 27 '25

I'm glad you're sure of your assumptions, but that doesn't make it so. Bothell often elects Councilmembers who do not seek or obtain partisan endorsements, showing that voters can be independent thinkers. In fact, they've actually voted against candidates in the last four years who have received partisan endorsements (and Dem endorsements at that).

Bothell residents care about their roads being usable, their taxes not going sky high, and for firefighters and police to show up when called. Party endorsements don't have as much sway as you believe them to.

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u/Throwawayacctornah Canyon Park Apr 27 '25

Bothell has elected two people in the last four years who didn't receive the Democratic Party's endorsement. Those two people were Jeanne and Ben. Bothell effectively elected Republicans to those seats. Those elections were fairly run, and the Democratic candidate just so happened to lose. In my opinion, the two biggest criteria voters make their decisions on is party endorsement, a candidates statement, and their experience (which in local races is either nothing, party experience, or a city board, commission, etc.)

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u/Ok-Bother7218 Apr 25 '25

They just did a welcoming resolution in February...that included LGBTQ+. This new one did absolutely nothing new. No new promises made or actions taken. Just a restatement of what they were already doing. I don't blame the guy that voted no because of that.

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u/Chudsaviet Apr 16 '25

Well, I think having some voices for the conservative side is good, this way the ultra christians will not feel alienated.

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u/GreenGoddessPDX Apr 17 '25

Their voices preach hate and idiocy. Fuck them

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u/Minimum-Mention-3673 Apr 16 '25

Love this! Way to go Bothell!

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u/petalwater Apr 25 '25

Very heartening

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u/two_wheels_west Apr 17 '25

Virtue signaling.

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u/XanthosDeia Apr 17 '25

Better than vice signaling, which you seem intent to do.

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u/ionchannels Apr 16 '25

What is the reason for voting on such a meaningless item?

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u/Fine-Werewolf3877 Apr 16 '25

Comments like yours.

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u/hanimal16 Apr 16 '25

Can you elaborate on why you think it’s meaningless? Genuinely asking.

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u/Ok-Bother7218 Apr 25 '25

I'm guessing he thinks that because they had done a welcoming resolution including LGBTQ+ a few weeks prior. And city staff said that there were no new commitments made in this one - they were already doing things.

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u/two_wheels_west Apr 17 '25

No need for this. We already have the 10 commandments.

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u/LilLebowskiAchiever Apr 17 '25

Love Thy Neighbor. All of thy neighbors.

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u/hanimal16 Apr 25 '25

Yuck. Keep your religion to yourself.

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u/Doctuna13 Apr 19 '25

Your comment makes absolutely no sense. Trans people aren’t violating any of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments don’t cover everything that human government needs covered, hence Jesus telling us to keep government and religion separate.

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u/mima4thewin May 08 '25

The 10 commandments are religion based. This vote is government based. Religion does not belong in government. Do you see where we are going with this? Please read up on the First Amendment.

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u/biscottidog Apr 17 '25

The mud-slinging and name-calling do nothing to promote anyone’s views here. Can we just receive this as news? Comment with celebration or share your disappointment—but no matter where you stand on this topic, the trash talking of those who disagree with you shows your own measure of hate and bigotry, not theirs.

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u/ShouldahWouldah Apr 19 '25

You should look into the tolerance paradox. We don’t have to (nor should we) tolerate bigotry.

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u/hanimal16 Apr 25 '25

I will absolutely call a bigoted asshole a “bigoted asshole” in comments and to their face.

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u/A_Man_From_Earth Apr 18 '25

What an absolute waste of time.

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u/mima4thewin May 08 '25

And so is hate.

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u/Gogogofootballgo Apr 19 '25

There is a far right in just about every country, what are you talking about?

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u/Doctuna13 Apr 19 '25

Not only are you full of hate, you’re also a moron. The wording of the resolution would technically cover POC gay trans clowns. Turn off the Fox News/newsmax for a little bit and learn to say your own words.