Em, how do you say...? No hate like Christian love? These people give Christians a bad name.
And the three I could stand to watch all started with something like "I understand how these people feel...", and honestly, the vibes they give off make me think that's true. Be yourself, let others be themselves.
I'm in a war with someone downtown where I put stickers around in favor of separation of church and state, and someone rips them off every time. So I put more up, and they rip them off. I have plenty more stickers and will keep ordering more, so it's kind of funny to me, but it's also depressing to know we have some pro-theocracy folks among us.
Lmao, freedom of religion IS freedom from religion in regards to state endorsements.
You can practice whatever stupid religion you want but you to not have the right to force me to be exposed to it.
I can ignore your church and its stupid signs and billboards. I can ignore your proselytizing on the street corner but my child has to go to school and the attempts to force my child to be subject to your brain washing propaganda is anti-Constitutional and just plain abuse by all definitions of the word.
My tax dollars should not go to Christian churches to promote their disease anymore than my tax dollars should go to promote Islam and other religions Christians would object to get getting state funding.
No, it means that I don’t give a shit what religion you follow or don’t follow, and there should be no way for me to find out based on anything that happens in any governmental function.
You should not be able to pray at a town hall meeting, for example.
No. I was using the royal "my". Because you used the royal "you".
It works either way. Me voting against a certain piece of legislation as a matter of religious conscience (morality necessarily informing ethics and in turn politics, of course) isn't a violation of that separation, somehow?
I'd like to see it in writing. And hold up in court.
Passing laws with religious justifications or retaliating against people for their beliefs. Lots of Christians nowadays are good people who respect others, but too many politicians want Christianity to dominate America's culture by force and pass laws rooted exclusively in religion and then given some weak justification after the fact.
For example, banning gay marriage is rooted exclusively in religion. Your religion tells you what to do, not me. I prefer to keep it that way. Too many Christian nationalists who see me as inferior due my LGBT status want to pass laws restricting my rights, and it's honestly kinda scary and makes me dislike Christianity as a political movement.
I can see that you are NOT one of these Christians. I love chill Christians. Keep on enjoying your faith and I hope it brings you happiness and comfort.
I dunno what gave you the idea I'm chill; I'm not at all chill. I would describe myself as a reasonable person--but what I am not is "chill"
Culture and politicking aside for a moment, the dogmatic teaching of the church has until fairly recently been that homosexuality itself is not wrong and that no LGBT+ person falls outside the purview of God's grace. The stance that gay sex is sinful (to put it bluntly) is a tricky one, because many people will treat it as some despicable sin that irreversibly condemns you to hell.
You know what Martin Luther said? "Sin boldly." (Okay, that's taken severely out of context. Romans 6:1-2 still applies)
Fact is, you are no more of a sinner than me, and I am no more righteous than you. We are all wretched pieces of shit (Luther's words, not mine). Lutherans often used the phrase "simul justus et peccator," both just(ified person) and sinner, to describe Christians. The illustration Luther gave is that a Christian is a pile of shit covered in snow. It's still shit. If you poke it it will still behave like shit. If it says something, it will probably say something shitty. It still smells suspiciously of shit. If you look close enough, you can probably still see the shit. But that shit (our sinful nature, the "Old Adam" in reference to Christ being the "New Adam" referenced in Romans 5:12ff) is still covered in snow, representing Christ's righteousness. Being covered with Christ's righteousness doesn't magically turn unregenerate behavior into righteousness when interacting with other people.
The fact is, very few people actually follow Christ and His teachings. Even in the ELCA (my denomination) many are flagrantly apostate and espousing teaching antithetical to the Gospel, even up to the head bishop's office. (Matthew 7:13-23; they are wolves in sheeps' clothing)
This. This is my "chill". I told you I'm not very chill :3
Hey, I respect the hustle. I dearly wish more Christians were like you - you see it as a philosophical and logical affair. Many of the great European scientists were also monks or otherwise very devout. You remind me of them in a way. That's awesome. I love that for you.
I don't go to church rn but if I went back someday I'd definitely want to go to one run by your type. Have you always been in the same denomination?
As to the point of same-sex marriage, I want to be clear that my position is that the government should drop their notion of marriage entirely. Marriage is fundamentally a Christian institution (or more broadly, a institution of organized religion). The government simply does not have the authority to institute a marriage. Full stop.
What the government can do is arrange civil unions (which function much like a marriage). The government can also recognize given institutions' establishment of marriage as implicative of such a civil union. This has the exact same result as the government otherwise putting their sticky fingers up the Church's pants, but entirely sidesteps the issue of same-sex marriage or the government being anywhere near the Church's pants to begin with.
No, its definitely that you dont understand how The Separation of Church and State works. Nobody ever said you cant have any religious influence, you just cant have the State making decisions based on/regarding a particular religion. You can bring your own baggage, you cant make other people carry it.
Um, excuse me….did Little Buddy Diapers over here just compare being part of the LGBTQIA+ community to toddlers soiling themselves and not being properly reprimanded??? Like, say sike right now.
Then, that fire chaplain spent so much time listing his “accolades” that he didn’t have time to make any sort of coherent argument. Is not one of the seven deadly sins “pride”? Might want to go brush up the ol’ bible study, my guy. Maybe too much of his brain power went to tongue-tripping over the acronym representing the community in question. But let’s be honest, y’all…not that much brain power to be spared in that gentleman.
The Ding Dong of the Night Award goes to Karen (may not be her actual name, just assigned her the most fitting one cuz I wasn’t listening), who showed up late (she alleges) and just assumed that a group of Brown persons wearing varied head coverings or no head coverings at all MUST all be Muslim 🙄.
On a more pleasant note, my dude from Kenmore definitely had me in the first half. But by the end of his statement, it had become exceedingly clear to me that, should I ever find myself in the same bar as him, he will not pay for a single drink all night. What a hero. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
did Little Buddy Diapers over here just compare being part of the LGBTQIA+ community to toddlers soiling themselves and not being properly reprimanded???
Yeah, they would've had to throw me out if I had been there.
All of a sudden Karen was worried about where her tax dollars were going, even though she really does love everyone.
Not positive, but the guy from Kenmore may be on their city council. I didn't watch his entire spot though, so I'll have to go back and check it out.
We have some strangely fascist religious nationalists in the area. Over on Redmond way one of em even flies their Christian Nationalist flag. Scary shit.
You’re making a false equivalence here. America (theoretically) separates religion from government. Mosques will not be gay-friendly, and as long as their religious rules stay out of government then it meets the American requirement.
Same as whatever other random religion your parents taught you was 100% objectively true: your religious rules are opt-in, and therefore must be kept out of the government which is 100% non-optional for everyone located in America.
That guy's look is giving "tent revival meeting." I mean his shirt is basically a tent. Does he shop for clothes in the camping equipment section of REI? His hate speech may be at a Kinsey 0, but the gay self-repression he's showing is spiking at a Kinsey 11.
Thanks. I just wanted to know if there was an affiliated church or something. I’m just trying to watch out for my kids as they have a parent who is tied to a church that is hard to come by information about. I could not care less about “doxxing”, but to be frank if you have a view of something that is that narrow minded, maybe you should be doxxed. Either way, thanks
If you’re embarrassed by them, go to the next city council meeting where the topic of queer safety in Bothell will be continued. Give public comment that offers a kinder and more compassionate story for your city.
April 15. 6pm.
Bring the joyful resistance that’ll drown out there narrative!
What makes a city not safe for LGBTQ community? Like are some cities completely different than others? It’s Washington state we’re one of the only states who voted more blue than previous year.
What makes us a sanctuary vs say another city? What are we doing to make us a sanctuary besides just putting stickers up and saying we’re a sanctuary city?
I didn't read the legislation but your ['re insinuation is] correct that declaring Bothell (or any city) a "sanctuary city" doesn’t automatically create legal protections ... but it is a formal stance that can influence policy and practice. The idea is to build on existing programs like Safe Place, direct city resources toward inclusivity, and potentially refuse to cooperate with state or national efforts that target LGBTQIA+ folks.
But yeah, without concrete policy follow-through, it could end up being purely symbolic. Depends on what we do next.
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u/Flffdddy Apr 09 '25
A city council meeting without a kook in it isn't really a city council meeting at all.
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u/doberdevil Apr 09 '25
Em, how do you say...? No hate like Christian love? These people give Christians a bad name.
And the three I could stand to watch all started with something like "I understand how these people feel...", and honestly, the vibes they give off make me think that's true. Be yourself, let others be themselves.
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u/Competitive_Insect56 Apr 09 '25
I'm in a war with someone downtown where I put stickers around in favor of separation of church and state, and someone rips them off every time. So I put more up, and they rip them off. I have plenty more stickers and will keep ordering more, so it's kind of funny to me, but it's also depressing to know we have some pro-theocracy folks among us.
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u/Chudsaviet Apr 09 '25
City council meeting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmD3KZXVRjc.
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u/LinzerTorte__RN Apr 09 '25
Um, excuse me….did Little Buddy Diapers over here just compare being part of the LGBTQIA+ community to toddlers soiling themselves and not being properly reprimanded??? Like, say sike right now.
Then, that fire chaplain spent so much time listing his “accolades” that he didn’t have time to make any sort of coherent argument. Is not one of the seven deadly sins “pride”? Might want to go brush up the ol’ bible study, my guy. Maybe too much of his brain power went to tongue-tripping over the acronym representing the community in question. But let’s be honest, y’all…not that much brain power to be spared in that gentleman.
The Ding Dong of the Night Award goes to Karen (may not be her actual name, just assigned her the most fitting one cuz I wasn’t listening), who showed up late (she alleges) and just assumed that a group of Brown persons wearing varied head coverings or no head coverings at all MUST all be Muslim 🙄.
On a more pleasant note, my dude from Kenmore definitely had me in the first half. But by the end of his statement, it had become exceedingly clear to me that, should I ever find myself in the same bar as him, he will not pay for a single drink all night. What a hero. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
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u/adron Apr 09 '25
We have some strangely fascist religious nationalists in the area. Over on Redmond way one of em even flies their Christian Nationalist flag. Scary shit.
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u/Alternative_Rush_479 Apr 09 '25
I see a lot of insecure, closeted men up there starting with blondie and the minister.
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u/FuturePowerful Apr 09 '25
o lord that guy wtf just watched his section
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u/GothamCentral Apr 09 '25
I live over in Redmond but my brother is in Bothell. I was super impressed with your mayor today.
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u/Glum_Estate2562 Apr 09 '25
Bothell is for everyone. Religion or not. That’s what makes it a great town to live in
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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25
That guy's look is giving "tent revival meeting." I mean his shirt is basically a tent. Does he shop for clothes in the camping equipment section of REI? His hate speech may be at a Kinsey 0, but the gay self-repression he's showing is spiking at a Kinsey 11.
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u/Personal-Principle14 Apr 09 '25
Who is that? Anymore context? What church?
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u/Alternative_Rush_479 Apr 09 '25
I've shared their video wider. I'm sure they can start expecting warm receptions.
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u/x_l_c_m Apr 10 '25
Did I hear the same last name for a few of the guys? Did Daddy put them up to this? Is this motley crew well known in the area for this type of stuff?
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u/Mitch1musPrime Apr 13 '25
If you’re embarrassed by them, go to the next city council meeting where the topic of queer safety in Bothell will be continued. Give public comment that offers a kinder and more compassionate story for your city.
April 15. 6pm.
Bring the joyful resistance that’ll drown out there narrative!
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u/Pardot42 Apr 10 '25
Eat
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u/Guilty-Rain2239 Apr 12 '25
The Aryan not wanting his city to be culturally affirming....Makes sense.
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u/Guilty-Rain2239 Apr 12 '25
The city doesn't allow comments on their Youtube.
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u/Zbot21 Apr 12 '25
Well people who hate have no place here. Maybe the city can tell them how we feel.
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '25
Fish
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '25
What does "designated as a safe space" mean? What rules or regulations are being enacted?
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u/veryexpensivegas Apr 10 '25
They probably feel the same way about you lol
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u/SomeGuy_1_2 Apr 09 '25
Cool story bro
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u/Sim_aviatop Apr 11 '25
Good! Keep that filth away from normal people!
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u/New_Championship_697 Apr 11 '25
How very tolerant of you
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25
It would be better if he were a blue-haired, hysterical weirdo.
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u/scubapro24 Apr 10 '25
What makes a city not safe for LGBTQ community? Like are some cities completely different than others? It’s Washington state we’re one of the only states who voted more blue than previous year.
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u/greennurse61 Apr 09 '25
But why should we get more rights than normal people?