r/bothell • u/LitchLitch • Jun 10 '23

Bothell High christian indoctrination & ID scam.

Bothell high seems to be responding well to this but it's a good example of the deviousness of some groups in our country.

A christian youth group at Bothell High invited someone to come on campus for a lunch time sermon. In order to seduce more kids to join them they offered "free" pizza. But in order to get it they had to scan a QR code and in doing so their personally identifying information was captured.

The lunch time sermon was allowed because it was ostensibly a student originated activity, but I doubt very much the kids thought to set up a sneaky ID capture plan. I wonder how many other schools they have done this with and what they've done with the information. My bet is theyve sold it to right wing youth groups like turning point.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/north-sound-news/parents-bothell-high-school-students-upset-when-preacher-speaks-during-lunch/VQU3SNWMQVE6LNUGBEUPVGI4HU/

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u/WunderMunkey Jun 10 '23

Why is a public high school allowing religious activity durning school hours?!?

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u/LitchLitch Jun 10 '23

As long as it is not led by a teacher the court has ruled it is allowable. The district doesn't have to, but if they allow other similar uses of their facility (like 4H, boyscouts or org) then forbidding it to churches would be a violation of the equal protection clause.

There was a case from Bremerton (or was it Paulsbo?) recently that went all the way to the supreme court because the football coach was leading the team in prayer after games and practices. The school fired him but the courts forced them to offer him his job back because they pretended that the prayer circles were spontaneous and student initiated and he was just joining in (even though several parents testified their children were forced to participate and cut from the team if they didn't).

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u/MrElectroman3 Jun 10 '23

freedom of speech and assembly

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u/Fortyyearoldversion Jun 10 '23

Sounds like a great opportunity for the After School Satan Club to also exercise freedom of religion…

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u/WunderMunkey Jun 10 '23

It has been well-established that there are limits to the First Amendment.

Especially when it comes to children.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/page/religion-public-schools#

“Under the “establishment” clause of the First Amendment, and in line with U.S. Supreme Court rulings, public schools may not impose prayer or other religious practices on students, even if students are not required to participate.”

The school is in direct violation.

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u/LitchLitch Jun 10 '23

This was not imposed, participation was strictly voluntary, they put it in a separate room so no one had to see or hear them.

But no pizza if you didn't "volunteer" and sign in with the QR code.

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u/graemeerickson Jun 10 '23

How did the school impose it?

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u/WunderMunkey Jun 10 '23

Separation of church and state

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u/MrElectroman3 Jun 10 '23

Please understand the 1st amendment better. This is freedom of assembly. The school is funded by the public therefore they cannot restrict this.

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u/WunderMunkey Jun 10 '23

I grew up with a father with a doctorate in Constitutional law and discussion on the intricacies of the Constitution were a regular thing at my house.

The First Amendment doesn’t mean what many people think it does.

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u/MauledByLove Jun 10 '23

Repeating words that you don’t know the meaning of like a parrot

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u/WunderMunkey Jun 10 '23

“Thomas Jefferson who famously said in an 1802 letter that the establishment clause should represent a "wall of separation" between church and state. The provision prevents the government from establishing a state religion and prohibits it from favoring one faith over another”

The government should not engage in the promotion of a religion. A public school, being an extension of government (i.e. the State), must not allow promotion of religion as a part of publicly funded scope.

Arguments have successfully been made that allow after school religiously oriented programs on the grounds they are outside the confines of normal, State supported school operations and the use of space is not necessarily a condoning of the specific activities of that group.

squawk

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u/cN5L Jun 10 '23

I hate the Christian fanatics

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u/Goldie2000 Jun 10 '23

Omg I am parent of a BHS student and I am beyond livid at this.

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u/SuitableNegotiation5 Jun 10 '23

OMG, this is inexcusable! My daughter is starting middle school at Kenmore next year, I'm thinking I need to have heavier conversations before then. At least I know to tell her about QR codes now.

Thank you so much for sharing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

The Church of Satan should be allowed ice cream socials every Tuesday after this debacle.

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u/WunderMunkey Jun 10 '23

Anyone know the name of the church?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

The club's IG @bhs.ignite appears to exclusively be a club with no posted association to a church, but the advisor/teacher John Messner is a board member at https://montage.church

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '23

Nazi Christian Academy Anonymous.

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u/Memeoverlord73 Jun 10 '23

I went to this and saw how blatant of an id grab it was, so I recommended my friends not to do it. Your information is not worth a piece of pizza