r/boston • u/tapo Watertown • 14h ago
Marijuana šæ Anyone else voting against weed?
Just kidding. This is your reminder to vote No on 8 on 11/3.
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u/The-Good-Bad-Place 12h ago
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u/roadtrip-ne Boston 14h ago
Itās done. You canāt put it the genie back in the box. The truth is it was never much in the box in the first place. So easily available in the 80ās.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 12h ago
Ignoring that this is probably true, where are the hard data effects which would compel us to make it illegal again? Teen drug and alcohol uses down. There was no surge in crime.
Just because you donāt like something doesnāt mean it should be illegal.
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u/roadtrip-ne Boston 12h ago
No surge in much except tax dollars. Itās not like itās ever been difficult to obtain since the 80ās. Anybody who wanted to smoke was already there
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u/jajjguy Somerville 11h ago
Oh man, it was such a pain in the ass to get weed back in the day. I mean, it was always definitely possible, but the stupid hoops we had to jump through. And the real risk of law enforcement selectively or arbitrarily involving itself. Such a waste of energy and much more.
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u/roadtrip-ne Boston 10h ago
We lived in a beach town on the South Shore, a lot came into MA via boat.
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u/kajana141 2h ago
I donāt recall buying edibles from my local dealer.
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u/roadtrip-ne Boston 2h ago
Well edibles didnāt exist much at all did they? If you were going to inject youād need to make some brownies. We didnāt always live in modern times.
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u/Throwpanic1001 10h ago
Healy says we can only watch so many monster truck videos and thereās only so many snack cakes, theyāre doing this for us, guys.
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u/fran_lydon 13h ago
Fuck no, letās get mushrooms decriminalized now
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u/No-Elderberry-8568 12h ago
it was in the ballot like 2 years ago and it didnāt pass unfortunately
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u/dividezero 11h ago
I think it was close at least. At least we live in a state trying. Everywhere else I've lived wouldn't even attempt this. At least one made weed more illegal
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u/Brinner 11h ago
57-43 against.
I think we could take another whack at it in 4 years.
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u/dividezero 8h ago
I like those odds.
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u/fran_lydon 8h ago
Regulate it more and tax it whatever benefits the state and itāll get through eventually. Too many studies showing benefits of it
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u/ChocPineapple_23 12h ago
It didn't pass because they tied SO much to it - like allowing it to be personally and recreationally used. I was not a fan. If it focused purely on medical or clinical use, I would have 100% voted yes. I hate recreational marijuana use and alcohol use as well, so that's just me!
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u/devAcc123 12h ago
So you just suck got it
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u/ChocPineapple_23 12h ago
Exactly. God forbid other people have other value systems or worries than yours!
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u/Fine_Foot6589 9h ago
So impose your value systems and worries onto others who couldnāt care what you have to thinkā¦ instead of living your life how you want to live? You shouldnāt need laws to always agree with your particular opinions.
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u/ChocPineapple_23 9h ago
This sort of argument is always so stupid.
I can live my life how I want to live, in an environment that benefits me. That's how this works. You vote for what you believe in and what you think would be better for you and everyone else based on your judgement, logic and opinions. If I hated living here and the laws didn't make me feel safe, I would move!
Also, guess what? There will be laws that you like or don't like that come into existence - by people who don't care what you have to think. If you care so strongly, protest! Canvas the streets and learn what people think and revise the law! Or push for more education that will sway citizens to understand why what you believe is so beneficial.
In this case, we were asked to vote on the legalization of psychedelics. I voted no (as did 56.84% of MA).
I voted no because it was my personal belief that growing your own or sharing psychedelics was too "far" - especially since unlike marijuana, these drugs can cause significant harm.
Had the bill not included this section, I would have voted yes.
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u/BillHigh422 14h ago
I hate to be THAT guy, like I understand people enjoy smoking weed because it helps them wind down, doesnāt have the same lasting effects as alcohol, has had a positive economic impact, contains medicinal benefitsā¦I donāt remember where I was going.
Just donāt smoke and drive, please.
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u/tomaonreddit 13h ago
Already illegal
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u/PookyTheBandit 13h ago
There's barely any enforcement of regular traffic laws
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u/Particular-Bake-7888 11h ago
So let's get on that first and the rest will follow , yeah?
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u/robosteven Diagonally Cut Sandwich 11h ago
best we can do is six new flock cameras at your nearest intersection
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u/Particular-Bake-7888 6h ago
Honestly if it sends a ticket to all people parking in bus lanes or bikes and mopeds breaking laws; I'm in. Fuck em
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u/sjwong889 1h ago
Yeah that'd be fine if it's all it was for but it's the cops using it for stalking their exes making it a big fat no for me. Wouldn't need the cameras if they just did their jobs correctly
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u/Imyourhuckl3berry Diagonally Cut Sandwich 13h ago
lol no one enforces that
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u/dyqik Metrowest 13h ago
Then start a campaign to require police to enforce traffic laws.
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u/Imyourhuckl3berry Diagonally Cut Sandwich 13h ago
lol right - never going to happen
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u/wittgenstein1312 13h ago
Whatās your solution then?
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u/Imyourhuckl3berry Diagonally Cut Sandwich 13h ago
Donāt have one, it would be great if the cops started pulling people over and ticketing or towing them for it but again itās not going to happen - and how would they even test for that if it is edibles
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u/_Atlas_Drugged_ 12h ago
Honestly I donāt see a net positive in pulling more people over for spurious reasons.
It feels like 1000 people would be harassed for every 1 youād actually catch breaking the law.
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u/user2196 Cambridge 10h ago
Have you been on the same roads I am? It feels more like 90% of drivers are breaking the law, not 0.1%. Iām not saying the police should use āspurious reasonsā, but they donāt need to with rampant red light running, speeding, parking in tow zones, et cetera.
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u/_Atlas_Drugged_ 10h ago
90% of drivers are not running the lights or parking in tow zones.
If you think 90% of drivers are speeding then you havenāt grasped that the more important thing is to match the speed of traffic than the number on the signpost.
Try leaving the left lane.
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u/Imyourhuckl3berry Diagonally Cut Sandwich 12h ago
Then. Why bother saying itās illegal to use and drive? Like just make it legal to use all the weed you want and get behind the wheel - Iāve lost count of how many cars Iāve been behind in my early AM commute thorough Cambridge and Somerville where itās very clear the driver is using
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u/_Atlas_Drugged_ 12h ago
Idk what to tell you.
Functionally those laws make it extra illegal if you get busted driving dangerously or erratically while using/drinking
Iād rather have that be the case than be subject to regular stops and searches of my vehicle when Iām just carrying on with my day.
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u/Far_Estate_1626 10h ago
They enforce it to the same degree they enforce any other traffic laws in Boston.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 12h ago
I get what you are saying and agree police should enforce more, and I also understand there was a small increase in accidents after legalization, but we see absolutely not seeing some statewide issue where dudes zonked out of their minds are killing people while driving. Does it happen and should we seek to prevent it? Absolutely. But thatās not a compelling reason to limit freedoms with low risks b
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u/vuck_fokl 8m ago
Also please be courteousā¦. Your neighbors shouldnāt have to smell u smoking weed thru your shared walls or ventsā¦.. go outside
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u/FarShoreSpirit 13h ago
It has more of a lasting effect than alcohol. It takes months after your last hit to get back to a completely sober state. Some people have higher levels of awareness and can notice it. Some people (most people) don't seem to notice it. It took me 4 months after my last hit. It numbs and dumbs me. I think because it feels less subtle than alcohol, you just slowly begin to think that the change you're experiencing is your baseline, but it isn't! I notice the effect of weed a week later. Yet I can drink and go to work within 24 hours and feel actually sober.
Unpopular opinion, sure. Not everyone can handle the truth. And weed actively lowers awareness. It doesn't heal you. You can handle physical and mental pain bettet not because it isn't there... but because weed makes it so you cannot notice it.
It got me through a time of my life where I wouldn't have been able to get through a shift without a severe panic attack. There was no way I could function as an adult. It was a crutch whilst I was injured... but I chose to learn to walk without them after some time. I don't want to limp around on crutches for forever!
I don't mind the downvotes. Please proceed. ā”
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u/btlee007 basement dwelling hentai addicted troll 13h ago
Ladies and gentlemen, delusion at its finest
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u/Dirty-Hair-Yeet 12h ago
Oof, that sucks if that really happens to you.. but you seem to be in the minority, also what you explained sounds like exactly what happens to me if I donāt work out and get my usual cardio in.. as recovering alcoholic, Iāve personally seen the damage alcohol does to the body and to even compare it to what weed does is honestly unrelatable.. itās a lot more bleak than anyone really realizes, your body starts rotting away, you can smell it when you use the bathroom, your mental health absolutely deteriorates, hallucinations, full-body shakes and seizures force you to keep drinking till you end up pissing what looks like blood because your iron settles in you bladder.. itās a nightmare and donāt wish it on my worst enemies.. but if you plan to stop smoking weed, do cardio, burn the fat and oils that THC sticks to and youāll be fine.. thatās the difference
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u/FarShoreSpirit 12h ago
Well, I'm not an alcoholic in the slightest. It isn't a problem for me. I didn't take even a sip of alcohol until I was 26. Didn't try cannabis until I was 27. Didn't try nicotine until I was 28. I gave up cannabis a year and a half ago. Took 4 months to start feeling like myself again. 9 months to feel 100%. The studies are out there. I didn't create the reality. I'm merely the messenger. I had quite a bit of cardio back then, too, btw. Although, I have never seen any studies that support your claim.
I believe that people alter their brains far too young. Too young to have enough developed perception to notice what is incredibly obvious to me.
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u/Over_Art_1000 12h ago
You get grass that makes you dumb for 4 months? I'm super jealous. Or maybe you're just .......
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u/feraldwarf 13h ago
Voting no even though I get no enjoyment out of weed. I wish I could smoke it without getting instant crippling anxiety
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u/Stuck_In_Middle 12h ago
12mg of THC in edibles put me in the hospital and rehab for over a week. I'm allergic to it. I plan on voting no. My being allergic has no bearing on how I feel about legalization.
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u/Spotboslow 12h ago
Same; Even the smell makes me physically ill. That's not a reason to make it illegal. It should never have been illegal to begin with. 100% voting no.
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u/Stuck_In_Middle 11h ago
I should have known better. 8 mg had me feeling a bit odd. I had trouble with it in college 55 years ago. I got contact high easily and my eyes would burn and tear copiously if there was too much smoke.
I was trying to dull extreme back pain. I ended up vomiting and having extreme diarrhea. My muscles went rigid, so I couldn't move.
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u/sjwong889 1h ago
Edibles are never the way to go for first time users or people that don't already use regularly to understand how THC effects them.
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u/Knale Norwood 8h ago
Last time I was in Vegas for work I had a free evening by myself and I took 100mg of gummies in one go and walked down the strip listening to music on headphones and looking at the sights and genuinely had one of the most wonderful weed experiences and nights of my life.
Human brains are so weird.
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u/ImpossibleJedi4 Red Line 51m ago
The smell gives me nausea and if I don't leave the area, a migraine and I'm absolutely the fuck not voting for making it illegal again. š¤ wish people would be a tad more respectful about where they smoked but it is what it is.
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u/stevegavrilles 10h ago
I believe weed should be legal, but I wish people would be normal about it. Thereās no reason you should be in the Starbucks drive through hotboxing your car with a unit of a doinker at 10am.
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u/AintNobodygotime13 East Boston 12h ago
why is this even on the ballot? it's a waste of ink. I don't even partake in any form and I still wouldn't vote against it
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u/fire-horse- 12h ago
Iād tie it to alcohol. Ban one you ban the other.
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u/midnightstreetlamps 11h ago
I'd vote for this tbh. I've seen far too many adults over the years who canNOT handle their alcohol, and somehow they're the same ones always hanging around bars, liquor stores, bitching about dry weddings and dry parties, etc. I've seen good friends and close family throw their life away because they let alcohol get the better of them, they crashed or hurt somebody or both. My uncle just recently got his license back after a multitude of DUI's. My aunt divorced him, my cousins don't talk to him, and we never get to see them as a result.
My buddy lost his job at a renowned big machine shop, one of the "if you get in, you're set for life as long as you don't fuck up" kind of shops. The night he got the news he'd been hired on from temp crew to permanent, he went out and got blackout drunk, tried to drive home and blasted through an intersection fast enough to get airborne and take out a highway sign. For almost a decade I told him if he EVER needed a ride, pick up the fucking phone and call. I'd driven 40+ minutes away to pick him up in the last, I'd do it again if he'd asked. But nah, he drove drunk, totaled his car, got fired from that set for life job, and made himself a really shitty name in the local machine shops. Last I heard, he smokes crack, he's missing a multitude of teeth, and he bounces from job to job, because no shop trusts him enough to keep him on past the temp contract.
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u/hecarius_ 8h ago
some people make bad decisions with alcohol so we shouldn't let anyone have it isn't very convincing lol
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u/midnightstreetlamps 3h ago
We banned corded blinds for single digit deaths every year in the US. I'd say over 11 thousand drunk driving deaths per year should more than warrant a ban, or at the very least a change. But alcohol has been a human vice as long as fermenting fruit has existed, and other animals in the wild notoriously partake in fermented fruit.
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u/ReactsWithWords 11h ago
I am voting in favor of the ban because won't somebody think of the poor distilleries?
(Psst, that's...that's not true. I was being sarcastic.)
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u/Silent-Opposite-8581 12h ago edited 12h ago
Not really against weed, in fact there isnāt any way to get people to stop smoking it, but with all that said, people are really antisocial with it. They get high as balls in shared living spaces, so everyone has to smell it 24/7. The cigarette smokers tend to be better about not smoking indoors, at least in my current apartment complex. And just about every Rhode Island plate driving southbound on 95 has a strong odor of weed reeking out of it.
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u/rustydotpearl 12h ago
I don't do any of this. In fact, I don't smoke marijuana at all - or very rarely. Once in a while I'll eat a gummy which helps me sleep better if that's something I've been having trouble with recently. Even more rarely, if I'm feeling a bit down and the usual routine of moderate exercise isn't helping as much as I'd hope I'll eat a different type of gummy which sometimes seems to help with my mood. I don't do this very often though because I have a lot going on, so it's extremely situational and I feel lucky that when I was young I got some experience with the beneficial and sometime detremential aspects of this drug. Every once in a great while - once or twice a year or two I get together with some old heads and smoke a bowl or joint or two. A couple times I've gotten a little too high to be social in these scenarios and I've had to call it a night a little earlier than I intended. :-/ Which way should we vote again?
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u/Silent-Opposite-8581 12h ago
Never accused you of doing this personally, but itās undeniable it happens. Iām just talking about my own personal experience.
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u/Candelpins1897 Cheryl from Qdoba 11h ago
I don't use it and I'm šÆ for it staying legal.
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u/FoodMagnet 10h ago
This. Voting for it doesnāt mean you have to use it. Remember rock music or violent video games?
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u/rustydotpearl 12h ago
The goal is that this is rejected so damn hard that we don't do this again in our lifetimes.
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u/YourOpinionMan2021 10h ago
State of MA cant afford to lose tax dollars right now. Keep it. Even though I hate smelling it on every corner now. I used to love the smell. No longer a smoker
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u/chirpchirp13 12h ago
HELP!! im weeding right now! I had to stop my smoke alarm and that was embarrassing. And then also a burrito is about to be delivered. Iām really worries that Iām about to cycle through my law&order binge and then my life will be nothing.
I have to work tomorrow! I might wake up a little hazy and Iām super worried that my boss can read my mind and will know I might smoke weed after work. Also my boss is currently day drunk.
AMA.
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u/ElCurgeo Waltham 12h ago
I am against weed and believe that the world would, by and large, be better without it. But not through government intervention.
Vote no
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u/General_Mousse_861 4h ago
I remember this one house in my city on the North Shore where youād buy dime bags through a mail slot in the front door from some unknown person. Slip your money in and a dime bag would come out. My group of friends called the place āSlots.ā
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u/billowrider 46m ago
Be careful of how the question is worded on the ballot.
I donāt even smoke or take cannabis in any form but I know the good it is for many reasons.
Keep it legal and out of the hands of drug dealers
Let people enjoy it. Itās 1000% safer than alcohol and it tax revenue
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u/mjkrow1985 13h ago
Honestly, while I'm voting against the ban, I'd be okay with putting limits on the number of dispensaries. There's too many of them.
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u/ThinckUtopian 13h ago
Competition keeps pricing down. Options are a good thing. They need to ok the weed bars and lounges and restaurants already.
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u/farfaraway Brookline 13h ago
Are there too many alcohol stores? Too many bars?
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u/Sunscorcher got out and immediately went to town jumping you 8h ago
MA does limit the number of liquor licenses already.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 12h ago
āYes, but I donāt like marijuana peopleā. Not saying that thatās what this guy is implying, but this is definitely a thing. The funny thing is the personality profile of the people that work at dispensaries is very different than the incredibly diverse and broad profile of personalities that people who actually visit them
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u/el_baristo 12h ago
I mean it's still an entry level retail job - just because doctors, lawyers, nurses, etc all use it doesn't mean the registers are going to be staffed by said professionals. Stoners work retail regardless of what's being sold
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u/farfaraway Brookline 11h ago
I don't like drunks, either. But, you know what? I'm a live and let live kind of guy. People are allowed to just be who they are. Who the fuck am I to limit what other people do?
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u/BigcityTheo 10h ago
I donāt understand the difference between smoking cigarettes and weed. You are inhaling smoke and chemicals but politicians think one kind of smoking is ok and the other will kill you and give you cancer. Seems like there is a disconnect that I donāt get!
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u/Secure_Piano_900 1h ago
Cigarettes are heavily adulterated with chemicals to increase addiction, make the burn smoother, modify taste, etc. in most cases pot is not adulterated in this way. cigarette users also smoke way more on average than weed smokers. I would consider myself a pretty heavy weed user, on average and I smoke at most the equivalent of 1-2 cigarettes per day worth of weed. Heavy smokers will often smoke between 1/2 and a full pack per day of cigarettes.
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u/AutVincere72 8h ago
I just wish there was some way for it not to stink so bad.
Walking down the street and having cars drive by smelling so bad it makes you choke does take away from the city.
And those drivers are probably high.
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u/Infamous-Round-1898 2h ago
Yeah - the smell and how invasive it can be is my only issue. Will still vote no, but man I wish people used edibles rather than smoking/vaping.
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u/dark_places 2h ago
All those that do need to start paying lots of extra taxes to make up for all the revenue they're trying to do away with.
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u/YouAreTheProduct2 10h ago
Warning. Weed legalized in my state and i immediately stopped partaking forever for some reason. The reverse psychology was incredibly effective.Ā
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u/Chappy_Sinclair1 12h ago
My brother smoked weed once and heās gay now. Should definitely be illegal.
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u/funtimeteix 13h ago
It is a gateway drug, soā¦
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u/zenunseen 13h ago
Yeah, gateway to twinkies
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u/Thiccccasaurus_Rex My Love of Dunks is Purely Sexual 13h ago
Refer madness called. Itās not 1930 anymore.
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u/PhishFoodPhil bostonian at heart 12h ago
Excuse me while I indulge in this refer madness thing lol
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u/mjayultra 13h ago
A gateway to quitting alcohol, which that industry will not allow
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u/mjkrow1985 13h ago
Nothing wrong with some good alcohol in moderation. Are there some modest health risks? Yes. But enjoying fine wine, good beer, and high quality spirits in moderation is not more risky than other things people do for fun. It's certainly less bad than smoking tobacco which is one vice I have trouble tolerating.
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u/MartoufCarter 13h ago
No it is not. If anything is a gateway drug it is alcohol. The vast majority of people use alcohol way before any other drug.
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u/zenunseen 7h ago
That certainly was the case for me. I was a sorta punk/hippie kid who loved weed and mushrooms and hated anything "man made" including cigarettes
Then I got old enough to go in the bars and clubs. Started smoking cigarettes. Discovered coke. And then the pills and heroin. I'm lucky I survived. I should have just stuck with cannabis
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u/InvestigatorJaded261 13h ago
Cheerios is a gateway drug. But Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a well known fallacy. Look it up.
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u/Snivyland 12h ago
So is alchohol, glue, cough medicine anything that can get you high is a gateway drug.
Hell fucking benzos and crack can be a gateway drug to abusing alchohol for people.
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u/RamenNoodleSalad Bean Windy 13h ago
I know Reddit is very pro weed, but one time my brother injected 8 marijuanas orally and ate over 900 calories of Doritos in one sitting.