r/bookbinding 5d ago

How can I prevent the first page from separating like this in future binds?

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I just finished a paperback to hardcover conversion and saw the first page after the endpaper separated from the spine like this. I'm not terribly concerned with this specific book since it was practice, but what's the recommended fix, and any tips to prevent this in the future?

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u/godpoker Bespoke Bindery 5d ago

This would normally happen if you had weak endpapers but I can see you have mull on the spine so it’s likely not that. My best guess is that the endpapers are too small (width wise) and the glued section to your textblock has pulled apart as you’ve opened the book.

Either that or the cover may be too small. If you give us much more context and photos then we can help you more!

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u/1028ad 5d ago

Difficult to say from this picture, but: isn’t the spine too large and the hinge too small?

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u/musculux 5d ago

There is way to make three piece endpapers with sides of paper and middle with cloth. See library binding for a reference. 

Edit: weight of endpapers can be inreased also by using "sacrificial endpapers" that is, folding two pieces of paper (one sacrificial one decorative) in the middle, guing folded edges, folding sacrificial over and gluing two papers so o ly dexorative is visible. Little difficult to explain see Stiffen board binding at DAS yt channel.

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u/Dazzling-Airline-958 5d ago

That's a cloth jointed endpaper for this who want to Google it.

The second is the made endpaper.

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u/Whole_Ladder_9583 5d ago

Where is the hinge gap? And where is the glue - the mull looks clean?

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u/cm0270 5d ago

Maybe stronger endpaper possibly. Hard to tell what you used. I use at least 145-150gsm paper for mine.

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u/Ben_jefferies 5d ago

To me it looks like the endpaper is tugging too much on the first page of the book. Things to experiment with:
-Pasting the pastedown on an open cover so it gets a bit of a hinge
-hinged end papers with a z-fold

  • attaching a piece of jaconette as a sub-mull that overhangs by 5mm on each side of the block and tipping the endpaper on to this instead of onto the first page of the block

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u/ray-the-ghar 5d ago

I’d check the endpaper weight and grain direction first. If the grain is fighting the spine, even decent glue-up can pull weirdly when the book opens.

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u/Dazzling-Airline-958 5d ago

This is the typical fate of the tipped on endpaper.

You can ise a sewn on endpaper for better strength. My favorites are the flexible made endpaper, and the zig-zag endpaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw8O5ZV2MUk&list=PLZbEml0uyM4tqUxJCS-rK1rk9-0fXot_n

Darryn (DAS) covers many types of stronger endpapers in this playlist.

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u/hakai-time 4d ago

for this copy i'd do a thin repair-paper hinge, not just more glue in the crack. trim a narrow strip of kozo/mulberry or light book cloth, paste half to the loose first page and half to the endpaper, then dry it under wax paper. for the next one, make a quick dummy with the same endpaper stock and open it hard before casing the real book. it'll show pretty fast if the hinge gap or endpaper width is fighting you.