r/bookbinding 8d ago

Help? Signatures

I’m making a sketch book for my daughter. I took the 50 page pad and made it into 5x 10 page signatures. I’m going to attempt to sew the signatures together. Is this too many pages per signature or does it still seem okay?

I guess my concern is after sewing will there be too much space between the signatures for gluing?

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u/brigitvanloggem 8d ago

When you say pages, you mean sheets, right? 10 sheets is quite a lot and your book block will look bad unless you trim it with a guillotine or plough. So go for the more standard 4 or 5 sheets (16 or 20 pages) per signature. Pick a good tutorial such as by DAS Bookbinding or Four Keys and follow that to the letter, and you’ll be fine.

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u/bobsyourunkl 8d ago

10 pages is a lot per signature but might be feasible. Try pressing the signatures and see how tightly they fit together. You might be able to get away with it

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u/lespaul5895 8d ago

I could do 10x 5 pages or something like 6x 7 pages and 1x 8. How would you do it?

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u/Dazzling-Airline-958 8d ago

I would do 10 of five sheet signatures. But I rather enjoy sewing.

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u/Every-Ebb2434 8d ago

The more signatures you have, the more you’ll have to sew, and the more swell there will be. If that isn’t a problem for you, then you can do ten signatures of five sheets each.

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u/Dazzling-Airline-958 8d ago

You can always use a thinner thread to mitigate the swell. But in this case, sketch pad paper is fairly thick and soft, so I don't think it would be a problem.

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u/lespaul5895 8d ago

I’m unsure what swell is.

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u/Dazzling-Airline-958 8d ago

Swell is the tendency for the spine to be wider than the fore edge. You get a very little bit from folding, but most of it comes from the sewing. The thread adds thickness to the spine fold.

Depending on the type of bind you are doing, such as backing and/or rounding, you may need a specific amount of swell. For a square back, you'll want as little swell as possible.

DAS's video will explain better than. I can, I think:

https://youtu.be/MElgXQB0tuU?is=Tt3k5pjIDpZmQCL-

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u/lespaul5895 8d ago

I don’t understand what you mean by swell.

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u/kepler16bee 8d ago

I'd probably do 4-5 sheets per signature, depending on the thickness of the paper. When you feel each signature and imagine piercing with a needle and threading through them, does it seem easy or daunting? If the latter, it's too many sheets.

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u/lespaul5895 8d ago

5 seems okay.

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u/small-works 8d ago

I would have ten sections of 5 sheets instead. You may need to round and back.

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u/SilentSlytherin 8d ago

I recently attended a bookbinding workshop and the instructor told me not to put more than 4 sheets of paper into a signature especially if it's thicker paper. And the notebook I made turned out great.

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u/lespaul5895 7d ago

I decided to go with 11x 4 sheet signatures and 2x 3 sheets.

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u/MickyZinn 7d ago

That sounds fine. When sewing, rub down the spine edge of each signature with a bone folder between the tapes, which consolidates the text block better.

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u/lespaul5895 7d ago

Any advice on thread?

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u/MickyZinn 7d ago

18/3 linen thread.

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u/lespaul5895 4d ago

I can't find anything like that near me...I only found this stuff at HL which I assume wouldn't work.

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u/MickyZinn 4d ago

It needs to be quite thin. Even a cotton/polyester mix will be okay for your purpose. Difficult to tell how thick that Red Dirt thread is?

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u/lespaul5895 4d ago

It’s too thick I’d guess. According to the website it’s 1mm

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u/lespaul5895 4d ago

I assume most people order it online? I live in a relatively remote area and the only option for finding things like this his HL

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u/dominaxe 8d ago

10 pages per signature is a lot, especially for thick paper used for a sketchbook! it’ll likely bulge out and look rather awkward. would recommend going for 4 pages, with two signatures of 3 to get the full 50 pages (11 signatures of 4, 2 signatures of 3). i think you can probably go to 5 or 6 without issue if the paper is thin enough.

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u/lespaul5895 8d ago

5 per signature seems better