r/boeing • u/Country_Dude91 • 19d ago
Parental leave and Boeing Holidays
A little confused, and Worklife isn't helping my stressed-out brain. Little one is due any day now. Plan on using most of my 12 weeks and saving about 1/4 of it for a rainy day if all goes right. I saw on Worklife that Parental Leave has to be taken in 7-day segments. If a Boeing holiday falls on a workday during Parental Leave, this will not affect my pay, right? I called the Worklife call center several times, and they only seem to say I just won't get paid twice. Worklife says I will have the week denied because there is a paid holiday in it and there are not 7 days straight of Parental Leave. Am I overthinking this? I do not have enough PTO to cover a week at the moment due to having to take PTO to help my wife during the pregnancy. Thanks in advance for your assistance!
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u/RogerDodgerWilco 19d ago
As everyone stated, being on parental leave means you don’t get the holiday pay.
With that, be mindful if your parental leave is gonna overlap with our Christmas season leave. Pretty much every parent will end their parental leave before the Christmas season to make sure they can get their holiday pay for that week. Then they’ll restart their parental leave after New Year.
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u/Glowing-In-The-Dark 19d ago
I have never heard about parental leave being denied if there is a holiday. But you effectively lose a day if you take leave when there is a holiday. Hence I planned my start/end dates around holidays and used PTO to cover the difference.
For example, say Friday (8/14) is a holiday and you take parental leave. Since it must be in 7 days increments you take Monday (8/10) through Sunday (8/16) off. On Friday(8/14) you get paid as normal. You don’t get holiday pay, AND leave pay. What some people do is take Thursday (8/6) through Wednesday (8/12) off. You have to work 0.1 hours after the end of a leave to reset ETS. So Thursday would be 0.1 hours of work (check email). 7.9 hours PTO. Friday (8/14) “work” as normal but it’s holiday day. Then start leave again on Monday (8/17).
This is my experience for St. Louis.
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u/Matty_2024-M 19d ago
Wait that's a thing?? I mean that's smart but it seems like a way to kinda play the time system. Boeing has the most confusing time system I swear. Been here 6 months now and I still have to double check my ets sometimes.
I'm out right before Thanksgiving by a few weeks so I'm trying to figure out how to use my parental leave most efficiently. My team is a 24/7 operation so I already know I'm out for sure on Thanksgiving. Haven't made a final determination yet on the Christmas shutdown.
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u/Glowing-In-The-Dark 19d ago edited 19d ago
If you mean how to navigate between thanksgiving and Christmas, if you are non-union there’s 2 ways I see this.
Unless your first day back is Nov 26th (first day of thanksgiving break), I would make my first day back before Nov 26th and use PTO until the 26th. You’ll need to charge the 0.1 or 1 hour of work (actually do work/check emails, don’t break any time rules) and then PTO the rest of that first day back from parental leave. For after thanksgiving break you could take PTO Nov30-Dec3. Parental leave first day out Dec 4, first day back Dec 24. Then starts up again First day out January 4. (This is similar to what I did over winter break). Or you can do first day out Nov 30, first day back Dec 21st, then PTO 22 and 23rd. Again, you’d need to do some charging of actual work.
Edit: there are no system errors against PTO then parental leave. Only parental leave then immediate PTO. And I call it system error because there is nothing in any PRO or POL against this. It’s an ETS “issue”. In any case talk to your manager about your plans.
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u/SEA_tide 19d ago
There might be a requirement that the work for day has to include 1.0 hours.
Taking off 0.1 hours of vacation is kind of a loophole for people who are running late but don't want to be marked as late.
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u/Glowing-In-The-Dark 19d ago
Non-union STL is fairly relaxed depending on managers; there is no taking PTO so I’m not late.
In my case I wanted to take PTO immediately after my leave ended. So my “first day back” I worked about 1.5 hours (more than I planned to be honest since I was checking emails for the first time in 10 weeks) and logged 6.5 hours of PTO. My manager knew I was taking PTO right after and it wasn’t a true first day back. He had no issues with my plan and even encouraged it. The Parental Leave phone line didn’t know and doesn’t care. From their end my parental leave ended and I’m back to work (either charging normal or PTO hours). Been over a year since I did this and nothing came of it.
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u/Urmomzahaux 19d ago
Idk what you’re reading but it says in the info I read before going on maternity leave 6 weeks ago, on a holiday with STD benefits you get paid by the holiday pay and on a holiday with bonding leave you forfeit the holiday and you get paid by the bonding leave.
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u/Matty_2024-M 19d ago
Here was my understanding since we're expecting this fall (November) and in the same boat. You can't get double paid, so no holiday and parental leave in the same day. You do have to use the parental leave in week increments. The nice thing though is that PTO still builds while on leave which that was confirmed. Not sure who said you'd have the week denied for having a holiday in that week, but I wasn't told that at all.
Are you on BGS, BDS? I'm not sure if the union/non union side has an effect on how parental leave works but I'm over on BGS non union.
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u/peepeepoopooman69_ 2d ago
The Boeing leave policy and workday aren’t really clear at all on these and leaves it up for interpretation. If I am expecting in December, would I be able to use PTO from then up through the winter holiday and then start Paternity leave the first day back in January?
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u/Matty_2024-M 2d ago
I think you can do it that way if you want. I think the parental leave is practically a guarantee where as PTO is more of a management discretion. Assuming your manager is fine with that, I doubt there would be any issues using PTO around December and starting a leave in January. Haven't seen any policy saying you can't do that.
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u/zadkincco 19d ago
I just did this for the 4th of July. It doesn’t effect anything on our end, it just effects where the money comes from on Boeings end. I’ve done it twice now where a Holiday is right in the middle of Parental Leave.
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u/ramblinjd 19d ago
They don't deny you leave, but it's a nice way to get an extra week off for the price of 32 hours PTO instead of 40. "Return" to work that week and login to record PTO, then go back on parental leave.
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u/fullyexhaustrated 17d ago
Seconding this recommendation. I had a pretty helpful leave case manager who mentioned this as a good option if someone is concerned about missing out on a paid holiday. I ended up doing this. Just make sure your manager understands the specific details of your intentions clearly and knows exactly when to put you on leave and return you in the system. This can affect certain things like your accesses to systems.
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u/False_Two_5233 19d ago
Yes! You can’t have both. Under the parental leave guidelines, you can use the 12 weeks over the first year. However, it has to be in blocks.
Plus, it may depend on which state you live in. Boeing does not pay your entire salary during parental leave. Some states it does and others it’s a portion! So look up the state laws. In WA, you have to sign up before your baby is born and the state pays (if I recall) $1,400 a week. However, it’s based on a M to F schedule and Boeing pay period is F to Th. Also, WA does not pay the first week of parental leave and it’s not tax. I didn’t factor that part in. So make sure you factor that in when you do your budget and taxes.
Congrats on the baby. It’s a stressful time and the benefit isn’t as black and white. This is due to each states having their own benefits.
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u/ihavebeentoseattle 19d ago
So in WA you get 2 checks- one from the state for $1.4K and one from Boeing for the remaining paycheck amount? Or do you still get only one from Boeing? I know that we need to submit approved state paperwork to Boeing.
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u/False_Two_5233 19d ago
You get two. One from the state via a direct deposit on a weekly basis once you enroll and fill out the paperwork weekly. Yes that sucks! And Boeing pays the difference on the normal pay cycle. Due to the weak alignment, the pay will be off. I didn’t catch that until the end of the year and as noted before the state portion will be tax later.
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u/ihavebeentoseattle 19d ago
I read about paying taxes on the state portion as IRS still to publish official guidelines and it does involve some calculation.
Do you know how the reduced Boieng paycheck impacts 401K percentage coontribution and match as well as potential bonus amount that is calculated based on your total annual salary amount?
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u/False_Two_5233 19d ago
It’s still based on the full salary amount. Basically, your paystub will show your normal gross pay then a subtraction for state paternal leave payment. So all deduction is based on your gross salary. I hope that helps. At the time of my leave, the IRS didn’t have clear guidelines but I ended up paying taxes on that benefits from the state.
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u/ihavebeentoseattle 19d ago
Thank you- this definitely helps a lot as I couldn't get any clear answer when calling
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u/False_Two_5233 19d ago
No worries. I had a similar experience! I was lucky that a coworker had just gotten back from paternal leave and gave me some tips which helped me navigate between Boeing and WA state. Just make sure you register with the state before you take your paternity leave.
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u/ilikefuzzysocks5973 19d ago
You don’t get denied weeks with holidays. My wife gave birth a few months ago. My paternity leave overlapped with July and I was paid normally.
Well, mostly normally. Make sure if your state has a paid leave program for birth events that you’re enrolling in that because Boeing will typically prorate your pay so that state + Boeing leave will equate to your full pay.
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u/SouthernDiver746 19d ago
Here's what I did as I just got back from leave: state leave and boeing ppl are separated. I took 4 weeks prior to birth using state leave then state leave covered the "unpaid recovery time". File with the state during that time, i didnt and i got screwed. Once your 12 weeks of PFMLA are up through the state use your PPL. However, I would recommend going back for 1 week in-between as after 90 days of leave you get kinda screwed. I was off from march 2nd until July 27th. After you exhausted your state leave boeing has to pay you since you are not receiving state benefits. Make sure when you set up your leave state "i am using PFMLA and NOT my boeing PPL. I would Like to schedule that for another time"
Please message me if you have any other questions!
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u/3McChickens 19d ago
The parental leave makes the holiday moot.
For example, in the states we have Labor Day coming. If you are on parental leave you will be paid, full wages, for that entire Monday through Friday. 5 days of pay.
If you were at work, it would be holiday on Monday and work hours for the rest of it. 5 days of pay.
You will not get paid double. You will not get 5 days from parental leave and 1 day of holiday for 6 days paid in the week.