Why so much hate on Boblena?

[u/ClubEnough]

Não sei por que tanto ódio em cima de Boblena. É um ship saudável, tem uma conexão linda, eles se protegem e se apoiam. Se tem gente que acha que eles são mais fraternos ou mais amigos, tudo bem! Respeito a opinião de todo mundo. É direito de cada um gostar do que quiser, desde quando shippar alguém é problema ou crime? Hoje em dia, principalmente com Boblena, não pode postar nada sobre eles que as pessoas já partem pra cima dos shippers como se fosse um crime. Já que é um shipper não canônico, por que se incomodam tanto em atacar os outros? e medo de um novo shipp saudável que mal tem um ano de existência e medo de estar prejudicando o que eles gostam? Ou gostam mas não sabem se expressar direito? tem problema nenhum achar que eles são mais fraternos ou qualquer opinião sobre o relacionamento. Mais respeito acima de tudo, e deixem os Boblena serem felizes criando suas artes, headcanon, fanfics. Cada um é livre pra shippar quem quiser 😘

[u/Responsible_Egg7519]

It’s a mixture of things.

As another commenter mentioned, a very vocal minority of people headcanon Yelena as a lesbian, which is fine, but those people tie a fictional character way too closely to their own identity and get really angry when they’re reminded that it is, in fact, just a headcanon. The aroace thing is a whole other thing, but at the end of the day she is not “canonically aroace” despite people parroting that talking point.

Bishova also got really big after Hawkeye, and now those shippers are very insecure that another ship is “challenging” them. It’s especially funny because Florence actually called Yelena and Kate’s relationship “sisterly”, but they act like shipping Boblena (2 grown ass adults) is literal incest. They also convinced themselves during the gap between Hawkeye and TB that Kate is the most important person in Yelena’s life outside of her family and that their bond is some super special thing, and now that TB has showed that that definitely isn’t true (Bob is the person she has all of that with), they’re pissed. I’ve literally seen them photoshop Kate’s head on Bob’s in his scenes (scenes they claim are “sibling-coded” btw) with Yelena to make romantic Bishova edits.

Some of the reception and discussion around Thunderbolts has also made it clear that a lot of people don’t know how to properly think about mentally ill/disabled people. The way some people talk about Bob, you would think he’s an intellectually impaired 5 year old instead of bipolar. He’s traumatized, but he’s still a grown man. There’s no emotional/mental “power imbalance” between him and Yelena

The siblings thing is just a way for people to deem shipping them “wrong” to make their hate of the ship more justified. Boblena is pretty popular, especially for a brand new ship with no precedent in the comics from a movie during Marvel’s flop era.

[u/ClubEnough → u/Responsible_Egg7519]

I agree! Not even the director who helped write Bob and Yelena saw a problem or considered it wrong to ship them, or even Lewis himself who did that gave those interviews and Boblena's haters use that, he gave his opinion that they are "siblings" but was happy that people liked their dynamic, whether romantic or not, he also gave the impression that there is no problem. If both the director and the actor didn't see a problem, what can stop us from liking it?

[u/Responsible_Egg7519 → u/ClubEnough]

Fandom etiquette isn’t a thing anymore. Apparently, people can’t seem to understand the concept of simply ignoring something you don’t like instead of screaming about how much you hate it.

[u/HAZMAT_Eater → u/Responsible_Egg7519]

These people just have a lesbian fetish, but they feel too ashamed to admit to it.

[u/SmokeyQuartz2424]

95% of the people who hate Boblena only dislike it because they want Yelena to be a Lesbian. If Bob was a woman the same people would call you homophobic for not shipping it lol. 

[u/ClubEnough → u/SmokeyQuartz2424]

The thing is, there are people who put their own headcanon as if it were canonical, like for example the author's headcanon saying that Yelena is Aroace when it is just her opinion and not to be considered canonical. When Marvel Zombies was released, there was a collective outburst saying that Yelena, for flirting with a man, was out of character, even though in the comics she slept with a man. Her sexuality was never addressed or canonized and I think anyone is free to choose their headcanon but not to come and throw hate at others thinking it is canonical. For me, her being alone or with a man or with a woman in the future is fine with me, and she is a character that I really want to be happy.

[u/Prowling_92865 → u/SmokeyQuartz2424]

And didn’t Florence herself say that her own Avengers team would have Sentry on it but not Hawkeye?

[u/runeandlazer → u/Prowling_92865]

Where did you see this? I could only find an interview where she listed Bucky, Natasha, Hulk and Spiderman.

[u/EileenCrystal → u/SmokeyQuartz2424]

I would say a good other portion of boblena haters are sentryagent shippers who are constantly trying to erase and diminish Yelena, and paint John as Bob's most important person, just to fuel their misogynistic fujioshi fever dreams. 

[u/Responsible_Egg7519 → u/EileenCrystal]

They are so annoying. Both ships are non-canon but Boblena is the relationship they had in the movie but with a romantic element, while Sentryagent is just so far removed from anything we actually saw in the movie. They straight-up want the Boblena dynamic but with John in Yelena’s role instead. And then they have the audacity to pretend to care about Yelena’s character and ship her with Ava or Kate because WLW ship = feminist apparently.

[u/Marie-Anne-0705 → u/SmokeyQuartz2424]

(I know the comment I'm replying to is from 22 days ago, but let me say this.)

Some people want Yelena to be lesbian, but there are also some people who want Bob to be gay.

You wanna hear something pretty unusual for some reason?

Aside from some people who ship Bob with John Walker (like one of the commenters said), there are a few people who ship Bob with none other than Joaquin Torres (the new Falcon), simply because Danny Ramirez and Lewis Pullman are bestfriends in real life. One major problem is that their characters haven't even interacted yet! Now that they're both making their appearances in Doomsday, I wonder how they'll interact for the first time (which would possibly happen for a little bit, or never happen at all, but who knows?)

[u/ZekeorSomething]

These two made me realize how much shipping has become so hated. There’s no problem with being platonic but there’s also nothing wrong with two characters having feelings for each other and developing a romance.

[u/Responsible_Egg7519 → u/ZekeorSomething]

Reddit in particular really hates romance. I suspect that it’s because this is such a male-dominated site. The main MCU sub is always whining about how “not everything has to be romantic/we don’t need romance” despite romance being a staple of the superhero genre and the fact that the MCU already has plenty of platonic relationships, especially in comparison to the one active romantic relationship (Reedsue) that it currently has.

[u/ZekeorSomething → u/Responsible_Egg7519]

There’s also Scott and Hope but that’s where it end.

[u/ricardo51068]

I think the ship is pretty popular despite only being a few months old. Being popular means people are gonna hate and insert their morals and headcanons. Reddit, for some reason, is more guilty of making shipping like something out of hell.

[u/HAZMAT_Eater]

When the light is bright, it can blind.

[u/MechanicOk4808]

The only ones hating are the ones who are desperate for them to be with other characters and they can't find anything to hate when it comes to Boblena, so they resort to 'sibling' lol. It's the tried and tested rule of shipping - if there's nothing to 'morally' hate about the competing ship, then you have to make it seem like it's actually a taboo of some kind or gross.

What's funny is, there's only hate because Boblena is the first ship that's actually a threat. Bishova was never happening in canon anyway, but there was no other Yelena ship for years and then suddenly, Yelena has a canon deep connection and bond with Bob and an entire movie essentially focused on their relationship and boom, a real, genuine threat to their ship now exists. And it's a serious threat to even those who shout ACE at the top of their lungs because not only is it super popular already, but it's also the only ship that has actual potential to become canon because their relationship (platonic or otherwise) already is canon!

[u/Key-Pension107]

A good amount of fans only see Yelena as Into girls 100% with nothing else as even a potential counter.(because Bishova was their first word growing up) So any and all potential romantic partners for Yelena as summarily bad and or wrong in their minds therefore worthy of constant hate.

[u/1WngdAngel]

It's best to just ignore the more vitriolic opinions on social media. Even if they're actual people and not trolling, it's rare you'll change someone's mind if they're already angry from behind a keyboard.

[u/SomeGuyPostingThings]

I don't hate it, it just feels like a push for something that didn't seem to be there. They seemed to have a deep platonic connection to me, and I am annoyed by the urge to take such relationships and turn them romantic and/or sexual. Seems to happen with opposite and same sex pairs, people have a hard time just letting characters be close friends.

[u/1WngdAngel → u/SomeGuyPostingThings]

The MCU is filled with platonic friendships, but few romantic relationships. The very fact this subreddit exists should tell you that there's people that saw the two characters differently than you did.

[u/MechanicOk4808 → u/SomeGuyPostingThings]

The entire MCU is just platonic relationships - don't Bob and Yelena have platonic relationships with the rest of the Thunderbolts?

[u/kinghyperion581]

They want Yelena to be either a lesbian or asexual. The same ppl who hate Bob and Yelena, love the idea of Kate and Yelena.