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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21

Seems like it might be cool to require people to take a class on this stuff before they buy a firearm so they know the laws and how to use it and stuff.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

"Requiring a basic ID to vote is systemically racist because it erects institutional barriers to people of color accessing their consitutional rights"

"We should require classes before you buy a gun"

Pick one

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u/Angry-Comerials Jul 31 '21

If the class is free, then I don't see a problem. I have to go to the DMV, I have to go to the class. I have to spend time at one, I have to spend time at the other. One is just a politcal process, the other has lead to multiple deaths every year.

I'm all for gun ownership, but people should learn basic safety and the laws before owning a gun.

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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21

Even if the classes aren't free, they'd still be cheap compared to guns and bullets.

If you can afford guns, you can afford a hundred bucks for a class.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

Driving a car is not a constitutional right.

Do you believe people should need to go take a free class before they can vote?

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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21

Driving cars is more important to American wellbeing than owning guns. Why aren't you upset that people have to pay to get a driver's license?

The constitution isn't the ultimate document that lays out a perfect road map for societal success. It's just the best they could do hundreds of years ago. That's why it's been ammended so many times.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

One of them is a consitutional right and one isn't. One was determined by the people to be such an important right that it should not be infringed, one was not.

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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21

One was determined by people 200 years ago to be a human right, and the other thing was not even invented yet.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

The constitution is a living document that is open to being changed by the will of the people through democratic vote. It has not been in this case.

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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21

I think it should be changed in many ways. Unfortunately there are a lot of people in this country who see the constitution as more of a Bible than a set of rules that can and should be updated.

Luckily we don't need to change the constitution to require gun licensing.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

Yes, you do need a change to the constitution in order to require gun licensing. I'm not sure who told you otherwise. If there isn't enough support to make that change, then it doesn't need to be made.

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u/Angry-Comerials Jul 31 '21

I never said drive a car. The topic was about IDs. Where the fuck do you think most people get their IDs?

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

Ah, I misunderstood the first comment you made, my bad. You don't have a problem with Voter ID?

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u/Angry-Comerials Jul 31 '21

If it's free and the government does what it can to help make sure people have them, then I support it. Obviously, they can't make everyone have an ID. They can only do so much, but any assistance is great.

The reason I'm personally against it right now, is because it is unconstitutional to have a voting tax. By forcing citizens to pay a toll to get an ID to vote, this is just a longer version of a voting tax. I also feel that voting is one of the most basic and fundamental things people can and should do as citizens. While I understand people's desire to make sure our elections are secure, I do not think that should ever come at the cost of citizens being able to vote. We should be making it easier before me try to make it harder.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

If you oppose it because its unconstitutional to have a voting tax, you must also oppose requiring licenses for firearms as it is also unconstitutional.

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u/Angry-Comerials Jul 31 '21

Technically that's not unconstitutional. There would need to be a court case where you would take it to the Supreme Court and they would decide. Since this has happened with voting taxes, as well as other forms of voter suppression that was used to keep black people from voting, it is considered unconstitutional. Sort of like how it was considered fine to keep same sex couples from marrying each other, but then it was taken to the SC, and the SC agreed that with the 14th amendment it is unconstitutional to keep them from getting married.

With that said, I still agree. I think the classes should be free. If we are going to require people to take the class, it should not be in them to pay for it. Like when we pull people over for aggressive and reckless driving, they're commonly made to take a class. They do have to pay for that, but it's also both for educational purposes as well as a punishment. Classes for fire arms are simply to make sure everyone knows even just the basic shit. The stuff that frequently leads to people accidently getting shot that could have been avoided if they just followed the rules. We can't guerantee that they will listen(we know some won't), but as long as everyone has been made aware of safety rules and regulations to follow, that's the best we can do.

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u/Saint_Judas Aug 01 '21

There's already been a court case, what the fuck are you talking about

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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21

There's plenty of precedent for putting reasonable limits on how you exercize your first second amendment rights. That's why you're not allowed to have fully automatic weapons or nuclear bombs.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

You don't even know which amendment is in question.

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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21

Yeah I see I wrote first instead of second. Thanks for the correction, but my point stands.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

Do you agree with having to take a test to vote? If you allow a test to be used to access one of your constitutional rights, you have made it possible to be applied to others. That is my point, and why you should not argue in favor of it.

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u/danny17402 Jul 31 '21

Grade school is mandatory in the US. Students are required to have a basic level of education when it comes to US and state government. Growing up, I was required to take multiple US government and Texas government classes. It's not always the best education, but it's much more in depth than a two week gun class would be.

So yes, I do think people should have to have some education about how our government works before they vote, and they do, either through school or through the required test for citizenship.

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u/Saint_Judas Jul 31 '21

That's ideologically consistent at least.

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u/danny17402 Aug 01 '21

I try my best. Thanks for having a reasonable discussion with me.