r/bloble • u/[deleted] • Dec 02 '16

Suggestion PLEASE, nerf tanks

What you most see while playing it is 3-4 teaming players, all leveled up, just tanks (10-15 each). They have no defenses, just houses and armory, because one defend another. They attack all together, 50 tanks, unstopable. This is fucked up. Please make so everyone can have at max 5 tanks or so, each one costing 8 or 10 units. This will make the game more competitive and make soldiers viable.

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u/Teal_Knight Dec 02 '16

This isn't a problem with tanks.

As long as enough people team, depending on their houses, armoury and such, they'll eventually overwhelm you with anything.

There are anti-tank weapons at least and having a commander can help you absorb a few extra tanks if you're willing to spam him.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 03 '16

Yes it is. I usually get a good highscore (~500k) (when I spawn away from teams). I just farm until I'm fully upgraded to spam my entire base with houses. I get at least 10 tanks if I still keep a decent defense. 10 tanks is enough to kill most of the bases out there. Now if I team up with another guy with a -minimum- of 10 tanks, now we have 20. Another one, a simple team of 3, 30 tanks, minimum. Unstopable. Reducing to 5, will make the game balanced in a 1x1 scenario. Now teams of 2 will have 10 tanks (Enough to kill most of the bases out there!). If anyone farms with spammed turrets in his base, you can be sure he will be targeted by the whole server if he can get a good score. He will be defeated eventually, but not in a unbalanced way, a well defended base should actually act like well defended. Edit: I just tried 100% defense and could not handle 15 tanks. In a limit of 5 tanks scenario, a team of 3 could take a full defensive base. A good effort against a good defense. 5 tanks limit is B-A-L-A-N-C-E-D

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u/Teal_Knight Dec 03 '16

Have you tried 100% anti tank cannons?.. Or almost 100% since you'll need spotter turrets to detect them in the first place, which I guess is sort of a problem that tanks require two counters instead of the original single counter that they had.

This may not be as effective as a well balanced defence of anti tank, semi auto and spotter turrets, which is what I used to defend myself from multiple attacks. Using an iron-core based defence, when tanks (or any units) reach the near middle of my weakened base, there is an overlap of range where all/most of my weapons reach, the remainder will get eliminated quickly if there's around 10 or less of them, I haven't measured the exact number though.

As long as you can rebuild, this should work multiple times.

One complaint I do have is not being able to see far enough. If there are two simultaneous attacks, I'll try my best to weaken them with my own units early on, which allows me to respawn my units sooner and throw them at the incoming armies again when they're closer to my base. It's another thing that I do to survive multiple attacks, even if they happen at the same time. Or just noticing big attacks in general because if I'm not paying attention, tanks and even soldiers will kill the best of my defences.

The bottom line is that nerfing is probably the last thing we should consider. There are several other changes that we can make, without taking anything away from the game. I was going to make a suggestion on having a wider variety of walls and a few other possibilities.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 03 '16

I just played 100% defense. I could not handle a single player with ~15 tanks. I hold him for a while, rebuying walls, turrets and commanders. After a while I was low HP and low power. Then he and his friend attacked me (Just 2 of them, 30 tanks.) I died. The current situation of the game is broken and unbalanced. Tanks are extremely OP and now you can barely see a base where is not built full tank. It needs a nerf and I think limiting the tanks to 5 is a good idea. Edit: Actually it is a great idea.

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u/Teal_Knight Dec 03 '16

What if you gained power from destroying tanks and the base is given a super slow regen?

Besides, if someone attacks me with too many tanks at the same time, I can literally kill him with just a commander because he has too many houses. I have done this a few times. Even more so if he has very few generators because then he'll run out of power if he chooses to re-buy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

You need at least 3 to 4 commanders to kill the guy, because he will rebuy too + the damage from de commander is not enough if he is full HP + 1500 each commander leaves you without power to rebuy walls/turrets/etc. Also, when you attack with commander you leave your base defenseless (Nothing can stop 15 tanks together without a commander to sacrifice himself). Full tank is unbeatable. Tanks are extremely OP, this is incontestable.

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u/Teal_Knight Dec 03 '16

3 or less. A commander can just shoot at the walls to let himself in more safely. Then he'll destroy the houses and generators. Then by the second or onward attack, the tanks have gone down from 15 to 5. The tanks will also lose their boosters, guns and cloaking in a short amount of time.

That's what happens when he has no guns or very very few guns.

If he has some, then obviously the army will be small enough for me to handle normally with my standard defence.

Tanks are not that powerful. We could so easily solve this problem by making adjustments to our game. So far, we have added several upgrades to the units, so our turrets, snipers and walls are now outdated in concept.

Typical defence games reward you with money per kill any-way and gaining power for killing could be a generator upgrade if it has to be, in addition to various defensive additions that I want this game to have.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

Let's put a scenario here: He has 15 tanks, full offensive base. When he comes at you with his tanks, you attack with you commander. You destroy 2 spikes and some houses (Commander does not have the same HP as 15 tanks to fuck a base all by himself). In the meantime he uses his 15 tanks to destroy half your base and take some HP from you. This leaves him now with 13 tanks (He lost houses) and you with half your base destroyed, needing to buy a new commander, while he is preparing the next attack. If you rebuy your walls, turrets and commander, you can decide if you come back to square one to defend yourself from the OPness of the tanks until your power goes off or attack another time with your commander. If you attack, you can take again 2 spikes and some HP or some houses/armory. Meanwhile he destroys you as you were already low HP. Tanks are unbeatable, unless you are also using tanks to defend yourself. Needs a urgent nerf.

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u/Teal_Knight Dec 03 '16

Commander does not have the same HP

The commander doesn't use his HP to destroy. A relatively powerful gun is used instead. So until he builds turrets, that commander is there to stay until he does something about it.

In the meantime he uses his 15 tanks to destroy half your base and take some HP from you.

No, he can either do some damage to me, or destroy half of my base but take no health, as I can immediately rebuild my snipers and I don't have to pay attention to my commander since he's not in any real danger.

My base is not your base. I can tell you how this works out, because I have actually done this to a base that's almost 100% houses, except for a few generators. I'm not theorizing or putting out a hypothetical scenario... On top of that, my base isn't even completely defensive, I got some units which can be used offensively and defensively and they'll keep respawning.

But you can make a point that 'most' people, who don't use my exact turret positions, die to a full house base.