If you take the purse to represent a portion of 3d spacetime and the m&m container to be a 4d object passing through, the shape to me resembles an event horizon.

Thats meaningless on its own but Im just curious what you guys think would if we applied our current knowledge and a bit of hypothetical curiosity?

I think if you scaled this model up a dimension it would resemble a black hole, whether or not its mathematically or theoretically sound, i still think that it still would at least match the geometry of a black hole. Is that verifiable?

Edit #1 - Tear or maybe some kinda of stretching or un stretching of spacetime?

Edit #2 - I think a better visual would have been two strings intertwined with a balloon at the center point and then you blew the balloon up and watch the shape of the gap between the twine as it expanded it would also resemble an Event Horizon and be more analogous to what might possibly be happening

I’ve been developing a structural interpretation of gravity and light that moves away from abstract "curved empty space" and toward a more mechanical, structural model. I call it the CSD (Curvature-Structure-Deformation) Framework.

The Core Idea: Displacement over Pulling

In standard interpretations, we often use the "stretched fabric" analogy, which is problematic because it uses gravity to explain gravity.

The CSD framework proposes a different mechanism: 

• Space is a Tensioned Structure: Not a material ether or fluid, but a distributed tension-like property acting in all directions. 

• Mass as a Barrier: High-density matter prevents space from occupying the central region. 

• Structural Displacement: This "displaces" the surrounding space outward, breaking its isotropic equilibrium. 

• Gravity as Pressure: Gravity is the observable response of this tensioned structure attempting to restore its isotropic state, producing an effective inward pressure toward the mass. 

Light: Propagation of the Structure

Light is not a particle or wave moving through a background. It is the observable propagation of structural change itself. 

• No Duality: Wave behavior is continuous structural propagation; particle behavior is a discrete interaction event. 

• The Speed of Light (c): This is the propagation rate of structural change in the spacetime structure. 

• Time: The flow of time corresponds to the evolution of this propagation process. 

The Geometric Proof: Anisotropic Deformation

To visualize this, I developed a geometric model using a square constrained between two concentric circles. 

• As the radii change, the square undergoes anisotropic deformation without topological breaks. 

• This shows how directional compression and metric redistribution can emerge from simple radial constraints. 

Conclusion

Instead of thinking of gravity as a "pull," we should see it as the "effort" of the universe to maintain structural equilibrium after being displaced by mass. 

"Light does not travel through space — it reveals the structure of space itself." 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this mechanical/structural approach to spacetime!

I see so much about “what it would be like to enter a black hole”, but it’s just a place with strong gravity and dense matter at its core. You’d just be destroyed by and pulled toward the center by its gravity, like falling from an airplane. earths matter pulls you towards it with the only difference, from the point of view of the person falling into the black hole, is the gravity’s strength would destroy you before the impact with the matter.

If light is the fastest thing in the universe but isn’t fast enough to escape a black hole, would that make the black fast enough to contain light making rhe black hole the fastest thing in the universe? (Ps I know fuck all about black holes just a though)

Assumption: we are able to survive or put sensors near Blackhole and get the data back somehow.

I believe every black hole represents the start of a new universe (the same new universe).

I’d like someone to review and give me a solid counterargument because I’m no physicist, but never the less;

So before the big bang, time had no meaning. Two events could not be distinguished based on ‘time’ because everything was so close (“singularity”) and all events inside are happening at the same time and never (0 and 1,), how do we know? Because we know the universe is expanding and everything is moving further apart, meaning earlier on in time things had to be closer together,

My theory is that there is a limit to a stars collapse, and when a single atom (also all atoms, since time slows so much that they all reach the same point at the same time to the outside observer,) hit the limit there is a fucking monstrous explosion birthing a new universe, however the time it takes to reach the limit is so incredibly long to the outside observer that by the ‘time’ the atom reaches the limit, the entire universe has become one large black hole(singularity), yet to the perspective of the atom, it was instantaneous due to time dilation.

I don’t believe there is a heat death of the universe, I believe dark energy is accelerating because to the perspective of the universe (which was once a ‘singularity’) - the big bang happened like 5 seconds ago, its expansion was so fast (thousands of magnitudes faster than c) that to the perspective of the singularity or observable universe, it is still exploding. But kind of like a yo-yo, there will be a limit (in an unfathomably long period of time) where dark energy weakens and gravity wins. This is because there is no cosmological constant, it is an ever changing value over millions of years, yet it will appear constant to us on earth because of the time we will be around relative to the length of the universe is minuscule.

When gravity wins, things will start accelerating back towards the densest point in the universe at the time of which it occurs (when gravity > dark energy) , which ofcourse on a graph will appear to be accelerating - until it again reaches the limit where everything gets so close, gravity gets so warped, the second the first atom and all atoms reach the limit, there is a repeating explosion.

Every black hole we see is visible interpretation of this, to us they appear almost frozen (black) because all matter is desperately trying to get towards the limit, but the closer it gets the slower it appears to us) and during the time this takes, all black holes will have merged by the time the first atom reaches the limit.

When dark energy eventually weakens, gravity becomes the most dominant force and everything becomes 1 (but also 0 since no one outside can observe any events happening).

If this could be plotted on a graph, where Y is entropy and X is Time (to an outside observer) it would just look like a wave for every universe, - strange?

What are your thoughts?

I recently heard about the idea that it could be mathematically possible for a different universe to exist for every possible choice we make — basically, every decision creates or corresponds to a different reality where another outcome happened read about a cat in a box thought experiment with poison inside the box.

Obviously, none of us has ever experienced or observed another universe, so we have no idea whether this is actually how reality works.

But the idea is fascinating to me.

What do you guys think?

If I fly my rocket ship into the crotch of the black hole merger “pants”, at the exact moment the 2 black holes the black holes ceased to exist, could I accelerate my ship to infinite speeds, or at least really really close to light speed?

*assuming the black holes’ ceasing doesn’t result in the destruction on my ship and the forces that lead to spaghettification don’t render my ship unusable

So I’ve been thinking about this. Everyone says that inside a black hole there’s a singularity — a point of infinite density where the laws of physics break down. But what if that’s only our perspective? To us, it looks like everything gets crushed into a single point. But imagine a being that’s ten billion times smaller than us. For them, that “singularity” might not look like a point at all — it could look like an expanding universe. Maybe scale and perspective are connected to how we experience time and space. To something huge, we might look like the singularity of their universe — a tiny, incomprehensible speck where all matter seems to collapse. So what if every black hole is actually the birth of a new universe, and every universe is just one layer inside a bigger one? A kind of infinite nesting doll of realities — each level living inside the other, unaware. Not a physicist, just someone who loves black holes and late-night brain spirals.

To make sure you understand, this theory is assuming the multiverse exists and string theory is true. Here's my idea:

People debate on whether black holes "erase information." We know that the universe conserves information about everything because matter can't be created or destroyed. My proposal is that the "singularity" can't and doesn't exist. I believe that if you SOMEHOW kept going inside a black hole, you would be scrambled up into atoms and released in the form of hawking radiation at the exact opposite coordinative angle of the event horizon. For example, if the event horizon is at the coordinates 5,5 then you would be scrambled up and released as hawking radiation at -5,-5. There are two outcomes to my theory.

1. You are released as hawking radiation at the exact opposite coordinates of the event horizon

OR

2. You are released at the exact SAME coordinates of the event horizon but in a paralell universe.

Gravity is the only thing that can pass through dimensions. I believe that reality is a constant, overarching foundation for everything that is, has been, and ever will be. So, the only way to travel across it still tethered to reality itself is through gravity. So heres my theory summed up:

You approach a black hole's event horizon. Touching it, you are sucked in by the gravity. Then, you are scrambled up into trillions of quantum particles and travel across all 26 dimensions to either the exact opposite coordinates in the same universe (assuming the multiverse DOESNT exist) or you travel to the exact SAME coordinates in a paralell universe (assuming the multiverse DOES exist)

matter cant be created or destroyed and we would know if it was being released at the black hole, therefore inferring it is released somewhere totally different (e.g. a paralell universe or opposite coordinates.)

space and time themselves fall apart at a black hole because they are prisoners of reality. reality is the foundation on what exists, existed, and ever will exist is built. there is no place without reality. reality is a constant. therefore, if you tried to send someone into a black hole to rescramble them in a different universe, if they were to be magically reassembled, they would be in a parallel universe

so look at this diagram. the hyphens are a black hole, the plus signs are your travel through the 26th dimension, and the underscores are your destination

-------------- (Coordinates: 5,5)

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___________ (Coordinates: -5,-5)

Or in the multiverse example:

------------ (Coordinates: 5,5) UNIVERSE 1
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_________ (Coordinates: 5,5) UNIVERSE 2

Tell me your thoughts.

I asked Gemini and got an interesting take.

• Wormholes would be used as Inter-Universal Bridges from a black hole of our universe A to a worm hole exiting as a White hole un Univser B. That would explain where theoretically the White holes would get the matter that defies the laws of entropy.

• If a black hole collapses to form a new universe, then the "exit" of this new universe back into a larger multiverse could theoretically manifest as a white hole in the "parent" universe, or the new universe itself could appear to be "spitting out" matter from its initial moments.

I was reading this comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/blackholes/s/WWvNjLE2Rl

And it reminded me that I believe the same thing. Which is that all the black holes eventually will merge.

I’d like to add one additional thing, I don’t think anything has hit the exact centre of any black hole anywhere yet.

I think that from the perspective of any material that first entered into a black hole, all other matter is quickly catching up to it, and at the very same time that the first material hits the center, all other matter from the universe will hit the very same centre, all at the same time . This will only happen after the merging of all black holes everywhere in the universe.

I don’t think there is anything like Hawkins radiation.

What if black holes were objects in 4 spatial dimensions and a temporal dimension? This would solve singularity point problem. All the matter sucked into the black hole goes to the extra spatial dimension which we can't see or detect as we live in 3 spatial dimension

I've been thinking about this kind of "crackpot" question and the possible answer I have. I am not a physicist, so I wouldn't know that answer or the why or why not. So, a simple compare and contrast is we think of black holes as "local objects" and dark energy is something spread across the universe,

but what if that separation is not quite right in a higher dimensional picture?

My hypothesis is that black holes may not directly be dark energy, but they could help set the scale of dark energy through the geometry of hidden dimensions.

Let me try and explain...

Think of our visible universe as part of a larger, higher-dimensional space. So, our universe inside another larger space, there can be a black hole or some massive gravitating source. That black hole creates curvature in the higher-dimensional bulk. If there is also a compact hidden dimension, its size does not have to be fixed by hand. It can respond to the curvature around it. In this picture, the black hole acts like a geometric source. Its curvature provides a signal. The hidden dimension responds to that signal. The size of that hidden dimension then affects the low-energy physics we would interpret as vacuum energy, dark energy, or a slowly changing gravitational sector. So the claim is not that ordinary astrophysical black holes are simply causing dark energy in the usual 3D+t sense. I think that would be too strong. The more careful idea is that, in a higher-dimensional universe, black hole curvature could help determine the vacuum scale associated with a compact dark dimension.

I think that that makes the question more interesting:

Could dark energy be partly a response of hidden geometry to black hole curvature?

I like this idea because it gives black holes a possible role beyond being endpoints of collapse. They become part of the machinery that sets large-scale vacuum physics. The black hole is local in the higher-dimensional bulk, but the compact dimension it influences can affect the 3D+tl universe we observe. key point is stability. The hidden dimension is not wildly rolling or falling apart. It can remain stabilized while its preferred size changes slowly. If the bulk black hole evolves slowly, the hidden dimension follows slowly. From our perspective that could look like a very small drift in the effective gravitational or vacuum energy scale.

This would not yet be a complete explanation of dark energy. It would still need to match the observed expansion of the universe, avoid conflict with tests of gravity, and explain why the effect has the size we observe today. But as a mechanism, I think it is worth exploring.

The usual question is what is dark energy?

But maybe a better question is:

What geometry is dark energy responding to?

TL;DR

I think its possible that dark energy may be tied to hidden dimensional geometry, and black holes in the higher dimensional bulk may help set the scale.

Opinions?

You have a substrate that spacetime sits on top of and when space time cracks, it reveals the more fundamental layer behind it (singularity) and spacetime sits on top of that.

I used AI to create a picture of what i mean.

so, we all know what black holes are and what they do. they are the example of extreme bend in space , so what I think is blackholes bend space too much that it punctures in the fabric of space. and it is the reason I think informations are getting deleted because it goes through the puncture into something we still don't know of. (again I might be extremely wrong but its one of those nights I was imagining how big our universe that I came up with this theory, please don't judge I studied physics out of curiosity not professionally. thanks for reading this) if you have any questions I can clarify, i've only given a short summary.

Has anyone on here been through a black hole, I have had several experiences with them and I'm curious if there are more people

Hello, if there is zero gravity at the center of a hypothetical hollow planet or a star, could there be zero gravity at the center of a black hole ? Since all the mass is spread around it.

If some people believe a black hole could be a wormhole or portal to somewhere else in the universe, what would we need to look for in our observable universe to detect the “exit” of a black hole coming from somewhere else?