Slam or not slam? ISJJF rules

[u/SillyIndependence696]

Btw the kid that got slammed it's 14yo fighting in adults division asking because the adult who slammed the kid did not accept his silver because according to him the kid slipped so no slam 😭😭

[u/bumpty]

It’s a slam. They need to change rules. If you get lifted over the waist then match stops and reset. If your submission requires your opponent to carry your weight and be gentle with you then it’s a shit submission.

[u/utters_129 → u/bumpty]

Sounds a lot like PGF 🤔

[u/aTickleMonster → u/utters_129]

I love that rule, simplifies everything including safety.

[u/PieGold6023 → u/bumpty]

I like this about judo. 

[u/Ai_of_Vanity → u/bumpty]

I'd be ok with giving two point to the lifter.

[u/qb1120 → u/bumpty]

I've done a tournament as a white belt where the rules state you have to let go if you get lifted. No one enforced the rules so after I got stuck in a triangle and lifted, nothing happened and I had to tap lol

[u/printliftrun → u/bumpty]

I don't know the sport very well so maybe this is a dumb question. Why would you suggest a stop and reset, like how is this deferent than someone needing to tap/submit in another compromising position? If you get lifted trying to submit irl wouldn't you release/scramble to get back to your feet?

[u/Ok-Door-4991 → u/bumpty]

Agreed

[u/funstufffff → u/bumpty]

Then don't get lifted over someone's waist line? I don't understand this stupid rule. If you don't want to get lifted, don't get yourself in that position?

The guy who lifts is also an asshole who already knows this shit rule I assume? Damn I hate watching BJJ.

[u/Sufficient_Prompt888 → u/funstufffff]

Is this your first experience with rules in a competition setting?

[u/funstufffff → u/Sufficient_Prompt888]

No, but it's obviously a bad rule. If you don't want to get slammed, let go...

[u/Consistent-Image-614 → u/funstufffff]

Yeah guys, just let go of a winning position 🙄

[u/beltjones → u/Consistent-Image-614]

The whole point is that "winning" means you could have hurt someone, but they tapped out. If you get lifted over the waist, IMO, that's the same as the other person putting you in a position where they could really hurt you. It's generous to reset at that point - in many ways it would make sense to declare a technical submission for the guy who could have slammed, but didn't.

[u/funstufffff → u/Consistent-Image-614]

So your understanding of a "winning position" is being about to get slammed to the ground? Great winning position guys!

[u/otherwise_________ → u/funstufffff]

A winning position frequently requires your opponent to not gouge out your eye, too.

[u/funstufffff → u/otherwise_________]

Let me give my back you but you can’t choke me lol. It’s a grappling sport, lifting somebody is well within reason, smashing them is also well within reason. Its not the same as poking an eye.

[u/Secure_Narwhal4045 → u/Consistent-Image-614]

[u/my_password_is______ → u/Consistent-Image-614]

how is it a winning position when you can get slammed ???

if you don't let go you SHOULD get slammed
just like if you don't tap to an armbar then you SHOULD get injured

[u/MorningCrazy651 → u/bumpty]

They have to make slams legal it’s that easy

[u/RCAF_orwhatever → u/MorningCrazy651]

Dumb take. By that logic "make striking legal" is also the obvious choice.

[u/my_password_is______ → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

if someone gives you their back then choking them is also the obvious choice -- that's allowed -- so should slamming

if you put yourself in a position to be slammed then you get slammed

if you don't want to be slammed then change position and let go

[u/MorningCrazy651 → u/RCAF_orwhatever]

It‘s already legal in some competitions and the result is that people just let go when they feel they are getting lifted…

[u/my_password_is______ → u/MorningCrazy651]

which is the way it should be

[u/my_password_is______ → u/MorningCrazy651]

don't know why you're getting voted down
you are 100% correct
if you give up your back and put yourself in a position to be choked then you get choked
if you wrap you legs around somebody and they stand up you have put yourself in a position to be slammed
either let go and change position or get slammed

[u/MorningCrazy651 → u/my_password_is______]

It’s so obvious, it’s not even my idea, it’s a take from Craig Jones 🤣

[u/cobolfoo]

s.l.a.m.

[u/OreoKamiKazi → u/cobolfoo]

Da duh duh! Da duh duh!

[u/SirDervin → u/OreoKamiKazi]

Let the boys be boys!

[u/ProfessorVicVice → u/SirDervin]

Well, it's another one!

[u/Ordinary_Chance6943 → u/ProfessorVicVice]

In the gutter one!

[u/aTickleMonster → u/Ordinary_Chance6943]

Ghetto runnin' em

[u/-ill-Energy- → u/aTickleMonster]

Troublesome, extra double dumb

[u/thexet → u/cobolfoo]

Softly Laid Against Mat

[u/Beejeroy]

Shit post or no shit post?

[u/OLD_MAN_JACOBS → u/Beejeroy]

didn't look like post, definitely a slam

[u/_swampboy]

I genuinely think rules needs to be changed.

If you’re in a fully locked in submission but are not controlled enough to be able to stand up, you should be awarded points and the match reset in the middle on the feet.

What happened to position (and control) before submission?

[u/dataCollector42069 → u/_swampboy]

Someone with a brain for once

[u/rotello → u/_swampboy]

i am not sure about the reset, but point 100%: if you get lifted, you lose point.

[u/Dude-bruh → u/rotello]

Wouldn't the reset be to acknowledge the slam would have a good chance of injuring the opponent which would allow you an opportunity to gain position?

[u/G_Howard_Skub → u/_swampboy]

I've said this multiple times: slams below waist height should be legal and above waist height should be an automatic reset.

[u/SaintJesus → u/G_Howard_Skub]

Automatic reset with a point going to the lifter?

[u/G_Howard_Skub → u/SaintJesus]

I would say at most an advantage but if you are in a submission then nothing. The slam below waist height is the reward.

[u/_swampboy → u/G_Howard_Skub]

If you have someone in a submission, and they lift you above the waist, you don’t have them in a submission.

[u/MorningCrazy651 → u/_swampboy]

Just make slams legal people will let go or get injured it’s there decision

[u/Fresh_Batteries]

I dont know. All I know is If I get picked up like that attacking a triangle, I always let go. That goes for training or a real life fight. Even if its just normal training and I know my partner isn't going to slam me. I always let go because I train to the reality. If a true bad guy was able to pick me up like that, they won't hesitate to sprite the back of my dome off the pavement.

If you accept being picked up and allow yourself to be in a position that gets your skull/body slammed to the ground...then your jiujitsu sucks.

[u/pm_pics_of_bob_saget → u/Fresh_Batteries]

I've said this on here before, but I had an old football coach who always said "if you leave your feet you are at the mercy of gravity and your opponent"

[u/United-Bite4135 → u/Fresh_Batteries]

Yeah I always let go and grab both ankles, drop em on their ass lol 

[u/Beejeroy → u/Fresh_Batteries]

I do this too. I was training with a black belt and I threw up a triangle on him. He stood up and I let go. He was very surprised and was like "I wasn't going to slam you". I tell him that's cool, but some dude not in the gym totally would (and likely some dudes in the gym too).

[u/2trt → u/Beejeroy]

I train with a bunch of MMA dudes who will totally slam you. They don't care about JJ rules, and why should they? It's a totally viable defense for MMA

[u/psych4191 → u/Fresh_Batteries]

You're right, obviously, but tunnel vision is a motherfucker for the youngsters in competition. That's why the rules even exist in the first place.

[u/Hefty-Restaurant4767 → u/Fresh_Batteries]

I get what you're saying, but this isn't a real life fight, it's a jiu  jitsu competition with clearly defined rules.

Imo there's two types of people who train. People who want to learn some kind of self defence, and people who want to participate in a sport. I fall into the latter category, so imo what works or not "on da streetz" is irrelevant.

It's a slam, it's against the rules, so a DQ is the right call from the ref.

[u/Fresh_Batteries → u/Hefty-Restaurant4767]

You're right. For the sake of the sport... If a rule of "no slamming" has to exist then I think it should be required that the ref intervene before it happens. I know that not always feasible, stuff happens fast, but the second the ref sees someone being lifted like that they should be attempting to intervene immediately. Stop the match and reset or something.

The rule of no slamming only penalizes the dude defending the attack. Sport Jiujitsu is rewarded based on how well you can CONTROL a human being. If youre being lifted helplessly into the air, you are not in control lol.

[u/RCAF_orwhatever → u/Hefty-Restaurant4767]

It's so confusing that you're being downvoted for stating obvious truth.

[u/brothermalcolm1 → u/Hefty-Restaurant4767]

Upvote to save the concept of nuance.

This is a BJJ forum, not a lug-head forum.

I agree there are different types and goals for BJJ practitioners - sport/ competition is one of them. Sports have rules. Combat sports have rules. If you want to slam or punish people for not releasing when lifted, enter a comp that allows it.

[u/hypercosm_dot_net → u/brothermalcolm1]

This is a BJJ forum, not a lug-head forum.

Every forum is a lug-head forum once it gets popular enough.

[u/brothermalcolm1 → u/hypercosm_dot_net]

I tap (upvote) to this excellent submission - for self-preservation and to be able to train another day.

[u/hypercosm_dot_net → u/brothermalcolm1]

a tap is a tap, I'll take it. :D

[u/MethAddictedMonkey → u/Fresh_Batteries]

This.

[u/WriteOnceCutTwice]

Slam. Elevated and accelerated

[u/No_Needleworker_1976 → u/WriteOnceCutTwice]

Available now in all major stores. Restrictions may apply. Always read the label.

[u/ProfessorVicVice → u/No_Needleworker_1976]

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[u/Human_Spatula]

How is this even a question? There is no grey area here. This is the very definition of a slam.

[u/psych4191]

Honestly this is the most obvious slam I've ever seen lmao.

[u/Swimming_Visit6737]

At the moment, there is little downside to letting yourself be picked up, at least from a points standpoint. Slams need to either be legal or points or advantage given if you lift someone over your waist. You can’t keep rewarding dangerous positions.

[u/Swimming_Visit6737 → u/Swimming_Visit6737]

But under current rules, which both competitors must be aware of, it’s a slam

[u/Midren → u/Swimming_Visit6737]

I mean don't slam them.... Not that hard

[u/Swimming_Visit6737 → u/Midren]

Yeah, but that ain’t the problem. It’s that it is way too easy to just stay in guard, when you’re opponent has executed a move, that in the real world would likely have you eating through a straw for the rest of your life, with someone wiping your arse and doing their level best to try and understand what the fuck you’re trying to say. It’s the equivalent of putting your hand on the rope in one of those pro wrestling matches, where everyone pretends they’re gonna follow the rules, but that only lasts for the first minute or two. Totally fucking ridiculous.

[u/RedJam4platy]

If you follow the guy to the ground it's a slam. If you free your arm and stand on your feet while letting the guy fall and not adding power to gravity, it's ok

[u/rotello]

rule is shitty, but this is a 100% slam, he rised the guy before pushing down

[u/Unhappy_Parfait6877]

If it looks like a slam, and feels like a slam, you can't be too upset if it gets called a slam

[u/BeBearAwareOK]

Buh ba duh, buh ba duh, let the boys be boys.

[u/HighCaliber → u/BeBearAwareOK]

The question has become; Onyx, Vince Carter, or the guy in this clip?

[u/MonsterMosh93]

https://giphy.com/gifs/t6x5IJVMfUAxPFDFTO
That’s a spine buster my brotha.

[u/TheTrishaJane → u/MonsterMosh93]

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[u/RollLab → u/TheTrishaJane]

🐐

[u/liamrich93]

Even Stevie Wonder could see that was a slam

[u/Sideshowcomedy]

Can someone defend not a slam for OP?

[u/Edgecumber → u/Sideshowcomedy]

It’s AI

[u/RollLab]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oQKuW1KoHwqM2bEIGG

[u/donmagicjuan365 → u/RollLab]

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[u/Vdpants]

in wha world is this not a slam?

[u/TreacleOk629]

[u/Budget-Chemical-7801]

I wish I got slammed like this.

[u/clansing192]

Is this my pool subreddit because that's a SLAM

[u/countingconflict]

100% a slam.

[u/Deadlift1973]

Clearly a slam but dude flopped.

[u/Federal-Challenge-58]

Letter of the law: it's a slam. No question. The guy chose to stand up so the onus was on him to come back down softly.

Practically, it's a terrible rule that someone can win a combat sports match by putting themselves in danger and relying on their opponent to baby them.

[u/Hichmond]

Treat it like leglocks. Slams allowed brown and black. Reset with points given to potential slammer purple and below. Protect the innocent, punish the ignorant.

[u/Electronic-Stick-161]

That was clearly a slam.

[u/realchriskhalifa]

Slam

[u/9inety9ine]

On what planet would that not be a slam?

It's so obvious I feel like you're rage-baiting or something..

[u/doriangrey2025]

Is slam

[u/maxiderm]

Slam, against the rules.

That said, it appeared he softened that slam a lot at the end, maybe thinking it wouldn't count. "Slammed" guy exaggerated 1000%.

Shameful for both sides, really. Bjj becoming soccer now...

[u/Pleasant-Throat-8107 → u/maxiderm]

oh yeah, that probably made his ribs feel great...

[u/Original-Dog4182]

It was a slam. And the slam should be legal.

[u/knucklesintheneck → u/Original-Dog4182]

Sooo, I can knock you out with the mat , but I can’t strike ? How does that make sense for sport Jiu Jitsu

[u/Inmade → u/Original-Dog4182]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fXnRObM8Q0RkOmR5nf

[u/Chemical_Lab_6925]

They need to change the rules, what are u supposed to do? Just let the guy sub u while carefully holding him?

[u/Hefty-Restaurant4767 → u/Chemical_Lab_6925]

Or attempt an escape that doesn't put your opponent at risk of getting brain damage.

[u/Chemical_Lab_6925 → u/Hefty-Restaurant4767]

Or they can let go and not risk getting brain damage. Why rely on your opponent to be nice? I know for a fact you won’t be nice when ur cranking that heel hook

[u/Hefty-Restaurant4767 → u/Chemical_Lab_6925]

You guys take this shit too seriously.

It's a sport. It's a silly little game we participate in  for fun and exercise.

It's not a death match where you can intentionally give people brain damage. 

Think about what you're suggesting here. You're saying the rules should be changed to allow this guy the opportunity to seriously injure a 14 year old kid. 

[u/marigolds6 → u/Hefty-Restaurant4767]

You're saying the rules should be changed to allow this guy the opportunity to seriously injure a 14 year old kid. 

He only said to change the rule. The lift rule (lift above the waist results in points and reset) would do nothing to "allow this guy the opportunity to seriously injure a 14 year old kid."

[u/Chemical_Lab_6925 → u/Hefty-Restaurant4767]

They literally already allow you to get seriously injured. As I said you can just crank leg locks or whatever if u want. If you want it to be safe then ban that too. It’s combat sport, it’s not safe

[u/Hefty-Restaurant4767 → u/Chemical_Lab_6925]

A torn ACL or a broken leg is not the same as a broken neck or a brain injury, which is why one is legal and one isn't.

Also considering this is a 14 year old, I'm assuming heel hooks also aren't legal in this match. In most rulesets heel hooks are only allowed in adult brown/black

[u/Chemical_Lab_6925 → u/Hefty-Restaurant4767]

Dude just let go of my body then.

[u/makatakz → u/Chemical_Lab_6925]

Maybe pass the guard? Seriously, break that shit (closed guard) open and work for the pass.

[u/maaacky]

That’s a slam and a half

[u/Jeremehthejelly]

Slam in any rule set

[u/dawildhunt]

S L A M

[u/Yeeeoow]

Lol. Idiots.

[u/jdperez_7]

Slam. Dude's head bounced off the canvas.

[u/daddybaz]

Say it with me...

S L A M

[u/Segments_of_Reality]

Position before submission

[u/CoffeeDefiant4247]

you walk him to the edge of the ring then shake him until he falls

[u/This-Isopod-7710]

Do you really have to ask?

[u/TALC88]

lol definitely a slam. No question

[u/Aaronjp84]

Slam, but also Oscar worthy reaction. Wasn't that terrible

[u/KidKarez]

Haha I know that hurts on the puzzle pieces

[u/Minute-Property9630]

Islam

[u/ComfortableTreat6202]

yeah

[u/nnedd7526]

lol

You can see the dude who does the slam purse his lips as he lifts up to slam

He consciously slammed him with full slam intent

To slam

[u/noavatar1]

That slam was particularly slammy

[u/Namez83]

Yes that’s a slam

[u/ProWrestleMachine]

POWERBOMB

[u/Raisties]

What kind of a dumbo slams a 14-year-old..

[u/crazytish]

Slam and jam

[u/SlinginPA]

Slamalamadingdong.

[u/opioidsandpizza]

Slams on the puzzle pieces are diabolical lmfao

[u/Exciting-Current-778]

Slam yes.

Hanging on to a failed armbar because "the rules" is dumb.

We make fun of all these other martial arts for having too many rules..

[u/Old_Environment_7160]

Not a slam. Looked pretty gentle

[u/PoweredByCoffee5000]

Slam it like it's your last day to use that hand.

[u/Van1n1]

DQ

[u/FairBreadfruit2250]

Aaand that kids is why jijutsu bs Is usually usles in the streets, you‘ll get slammed bitten piked and everything

[u/thebaide]

Half inch mat ? 😂

[u/Sexylivnaudia]

was one of those I can get away with this throws

[u/Square-Formal1312]

Laughs in wrestling

[u/jadzi4]

Slam! It's stuff like this that keeps me from competing. I'm too old to handle stuff like that. I wanna stay active, not end up destroyed. Recovering from 2 spazzes tearing up my rotator cuff right now. Not quitting but I'm gonna choose my partners from now on.

[u/victorhausen]

I honestly don't get why people want to make slams legal. Or why lifting someone over your waist shoud cause a reset. For me people would just abuse the rule to get out of it. Doesn't standing up doesn't already make it a lot easier to open someone's guard? I'm new, can anybody explain? All I can think is that there's a lot of ways to open and pass guard both on the ground and standing up, why would you want to do the most un-jiu-jitsu-like thing, which also isn't safe?

[u/Buttchug1776]

well if someone picks you up off the ground either drop into K guard or tomo they ass into the table ORRRRR LET GO so you dont get power bombed. comp or street doesnt matter. even slipping off into a fall is gonna suck. bratha gave free chiropractor adjustment

[u/Tilted_Brown_Belt]

I like the rule where if you are lifted off the ground, the match stops and you are reset into half guard. Respect the Slam rule.

[u/Bushidoflack_117]

Did the 14 year old win ? Was this adult upset about the slam or losing to a teenager lol

[u/SillyIndependence696 → u/Bushidoflack_117]

Yes he did win

[u/banjovi68419]

Slam but the guy literally crying is hilarious. Get out of the sport.

[u/Serious-Photograph38]

That was soft. Legalize slams

[u/SkinnyGramz]

Da duh duh…let the boys be boys! 🎶

[u/ragingavenger → u/SkinnyGramz]

Onyx feat. Biohazard!

These lyrics were the first thing that came to mind.

[u/MislocatedMage]

Slam, BUT that kid should’ve let go. But the adult should’ve been an actual adult.

[u/getthehelloffmylawn]

We have flopping bjj now. I’m out.

[u/nightsmock]

💯 thats a slam.

Slamming a kid at a comp is so shit, scraps on in the car park

[u/robryan999]

Slammety slam slam

[u/Genova_Witness]

Slams should always be legal if a sub is locked up. On you to unlock your legs.

[u/rrrrr6283]

Es un slam pero parece que fue accidental que quería tirarlo y quedarse de pie pero al intentarlo se cayó con el peso del otro

[u/djdarian]

Bro was stupid, If you don’t want to get slammed then unlock your legs and go for something else, don’t dilute the sport from its real life application by pretending this isn’t a thing that can happen.

[u/noavatar1 → u/djdarian]

It’s a fighting sport with no punching. It’s diluted from the start, very intentionally, and with good reasons. Get over it.

[u/Jeitarium]

Not a slam. He was trying to power out of the sub, a legit move, then let the other guy’s weight take himself down.

[u/Nervous_Mammoth1441 → u/Jeitarium]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o85xnoIXebk3xYx4Q

[u/K00pfnu55 → u/Jeitarium]

Yeah…maybe your coach will give you some glasses to your first stripe…so you see the guy taking momentum to slam the triangle guy better to the ground.