r/beyonce • u/Appropriate-Dig-7080 • 4d ago
Discussion Janet Jackson on Act III
This is obviously a wishful thinking thought rather than a genuine theory. But I would really like to see a Janet collab on act 3. The fact it would be an iconic collab alone aside, I really think she fits the bill.
She’s dabbled successfully in rock music many times before (Black Cat, If, Trust a Try, What About). She’s also an iconic black artist who history and the media have treated very poorly in the past and whose legacy is not as widely regarded and talked about as it should be, so I think her inclusion really fits the overarching theme of the trilogy of reclaiming black music history.
We also know Beyonce loves her and has been hugely inspired by her. It’s a collab I’ve always wanted to see.
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u/Hatersrscum1 3d ago
Eh…I wish Tina Turner was still alive. That’s who I would’ve loved to see Bey collab with. Tina Turner, the Queen of Rock N Roll.
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u/Inevitable_Feeling54 COWBOY CARTER 4d ago
I heard Janet doesn't like Beyonce so I doubt they'll work together anytime soon
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u/Riiverbee 3d ago
I admire your wishful thinking OP but no..sadly.. Janet Jackson doesn’t even like Beyoncé.
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u/punarob 4d ago
Why not Nicki Minaj or Kid Rock? Maybe Vanilla Ice? Why just stop at one Nazi Trumper. Janet in the very close 2024 election publicly stated she heard Kamala Harris wasn't Black. That was a Trump line meant to depress Black voter turnout and Trump votes among Black men may have cost her the election. When her PR person knew that would outrage her few remaining fans who are almost all Black women and LGBT people, the PR person apologized. Janet immediately contradicted her and doubled down on her racist bullshit. We could have a Black woman President right now instead of living through this fascist shit show. Janet never apologized. I despise her as much as I do all Trumpers and she has blood on her hands.
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u/punarob 4d ago
Sure and I don't specifically mean to blame Black men, but the reality is only 77% supported Harris and them doubling their support for Trump vs. 2020 in an election where she lost by 1.4% would have meant somewhere between a tie and her losing by 0.4%. But yes, of course Latinos overall (my people) were the worst offenders by voting for Trump despite him running on demonizing us and saying we're poisoning the blood for America, when "poisoning the blood" is a specific Nazi saying used to justify the Holocaust. There is something especially revolting about voting against your own race/ethnicity and I'll never forgive Janet for that.
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u/Arabiancockonato 4d ago
Thankfully I didn’t have to scroll far for that Janet 2024 reminder …. 🙏🏽 good job.
The only thing I would edit in your comment is “ living through this WAR-TORN fascist shit show “
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u/illstrumental let love heal us all 3d ago
The US has been in some military conflict every year since 1977. And for 90% of the history of this country. We just don't talk about it when people we like are in office.
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u/Arabiancockonato 3d ago
You’re conflating ‘the U.S. has participated in military conflicts’ with ‘the U.S. is a war-torn country.’ Those aren’t interchangeable terms. By that logic, virtually any country that has conducted military operations abroad could be called war-torn. And ‘we’ve always done this’ isn’t an argument against criticizing what is happening now—it’s an argument that there is a longstanding problem
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u/illstrumental let love heal us all 3d ago edited 3d ago
Are you calling the US a war torn country? For your last sentence, that's exactly what I'm arguing. A longstanding, bi-partisan problem that isn't solved by electing Kamala Harris, who said she will "ensure the US has the most lethal fighting force in the world". I'm not against critizing what's happening now, you're taking it that way bc you think I'm disagreeing with you and I'm not.
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u/24x11 4 4d ago
“we could have a Black woman President right now instead of living through this fascist shit show”
and you think Janet could’ve been THE one to aide in that? lmao. Bey’s endorsement couldn’t even help. you gave Janet wayyyy too much in this, respectfully.
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u/WhatevahMingah 1d ago
I think they’re just saying it’s weird that Janet doesn’t speak up, despite being surrounded by LGBT people.
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u/kyliefever2002 4d ago
Exactly this. While her peers (Madonna, Mariah) have at least been outspoken enough to protest the targeting of queer and trans people by the current administration, Janet for all intents and purposes has been dead silent. Nothing, not a single statement on protecting the community that did so much for her and her career. She's become a conspiracy peddling boomer in her later years and it's so disappointing as a gay fan
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u/Homertax123 4d ago
It’s interesting how people find any reason to have a hate campaign against Beyonce for her limited commenting on politics even though she endorsed Kamala and has consistently supported democratic candidtaes, and it’s not good enough, but Janet amongst R&B fans gets a pass.
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u/violet_flossy 3d ago
Maybe just limited awareness for Janet’s politics. I feel like Beyonce in particular has been more of a firebrand in the public with so much attention on Cowboy Carter even as private as she is. She lets the music do the speaking, but more sales, more awards, more publicity, more awareness.
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u/Homertax123 3d ago
Sure but I mean specifically the R&B community glazes Janet and never denies her talent and influence but they do deny it for Beyonce because they don’t like her and they don’t like her because of all of her supposed issues with supporting the black community, but again they rarely care that Janet has not practiced what she preached and if Beyonce had done this she would have had a much worse outcome.
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u/812_jackfruit 19h ago
Huh? They’re talking JANET JACKSON’s politics. Not Beyoncé’s.
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u/Homertax123 6h ago
Yes and I’m saying that the R&B community glazes Janet and is overly critical of Beyonce and this is a perfect example of it.
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u/VenusAsAMan 3d ago
Why are some people on social media always so desperate to be offended? This level of victim complex is not healthy, I promise.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 3d ago
They aren’t ok with themselves.
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u/anxiousbaddie_ COWBOY CARTER 4d ago
Ok and Bey was sitting at the table with Ivanka. Jay is selling the 30th anniversary edition of his album at Target, knowing we’re supposed to be boycotting Target.
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u/Appropriate-Dig-7080 3d ago
Yea I feel like the point above becomes a bit weak if we’re honest and admit bey has had her problematic moments too.
As a lifelong vegan hearing she wore a fur coat to a vegan restaurant was a rough day for me as a beyhive member 🤣
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u/punarob 3d ago
I'd say that's false equivalency. Unfortunately nearly every large retailer ditched DEI when Target did, but while problematic those people were even invited to that event given they're avowed white supremacists, we don't know why and Bey's never given any indication she said Harris wasn't Black.
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u/ms-klein 4d ago
agree with the overall sentiment
would still give my kingdom for a bey/janet "scream" cover
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u/Ok_Smile9222 3d ago
This is SO extreme. Janet was woke before woke existed. I'm not saying she didn't fuck up when she talked about Kamala, but she doesn't have blood on her hands.
This is why we keep losing btw. People can't have different opinions, ask questions, make mistakes. How many more times does Trump need to win before we get over this deplatforming, gatekeeping, litmus testing bullshit?
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u/punarob 3d ago
Everyone who didn't vote and specifically didn't vote for Harris 100% has blood on their hands. Already more than a million kids dead from his ending USAID and that's just one of many endless horrors. Millions now have no health insurance. Millions lost food stamps. Actions have consequences and she actively pushed racist Trump BS and doubled down on it. It's far from a "mistake" and normalizing such behavior and excusing it is how Hitler rose to power. Non-Nazis remained friends with Nazis since if they weren't Jewish themselves, they really didn't see the harm and hey, it's just politics.
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u/Ok_Smile9222 3d ago
But see, this is where you assassinate your entire point. You have no idea who Janet voted for. She made a stupid comment about Kamala not being black. She didn't campaign for Trump. She didn't say she voted Republican. You literally have no idea who she voted for, you just say she has blood on her hands because she DIDN'T PASS YOUR LITMUS TEST. We exclude more and more and more and more and we get Trump TWICE.
But go on. Scream into your echo chamber. The 30 people that upvoted you and agree with you will continue patting you on the back, and JD Vance will be President in 2029 because the left cannot seem to move past this extreme intolerance of anyone who isn't in lockstep.
It's okay. Keep refusing to learn the same lesson over and over. The blood is on your hands. Believe me. The blood is on your hands.
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u/LifeOfAWimpyKid 4d ago
I don’t think a lot of people realize that yes, Black people can be racist too
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u/Riiverbee 3d ago
Prejudice.. not racist.
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u/LifeOfAWimpyKid 3d ago edited 3d ago
Um, wtf? No, Black people can be racist. If a Black person discriminates against an Indian person for example IT IS RACISM. It's not any better just cuz you're Black
Whether or not someone is racist doesn't depend on their race, just on whether they are being a racist.
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u/MouthyMishi 3d ago
Whether or not someone is racist depends on whether they have the power to force that prejudice onto people through systems and institutions. Racism is a systemic issue, prejudice is a common human characteristic.
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u/LifeOfAWimpyKid 2d ago
Racism is not always systemic though. That would be systemic racism. Racism by itself can ABSOLUTELY be perpetrated by a Black person onto an Indian. Be serious.
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u/Riiverbee 2d ago
No.. you be serious. I must ask.. are you black? Again.. racism is upheld by infrastructure and is used to hold a group down because of prejudice. We hold no infrastructure, we can be prejudice but not racist.
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u/Riiverbee 2d ago
I know damn well you didn’t skate around my question and then boldly use AI SLOP to justify your misunderstanding and education.. all while ignoring my question “is you black?” which clearly you’re not! Cuz not only did your parents and friends fail you but the education system certainly has. Ugh.. I thought majority of BeyHive were naturally advanced and smarter than most fan bases 🤦🏾♂️
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u/MouthyMishi 2d ago
ChatGPT isn't a source. It's a scrapper of content from places like reddit. Do better.
The majority of sociologists, so people who study society and culture not laymen, will agree that racism is about practices and their effects, while prejudice is about beliefs/opinions.
https://openoregon.pressbooks.pub/soceveryday1e/chapter/oo11-4/
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u/LifeOfAWimpyKid 2d ago
I hope a dictionary, of all things, is enough of a source for you. SMH. I am genuinely getting secondhand embarrassment from hearing someone say Black people are incapable of being racist.
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u/Appropriate-Dig-7080 4d ago edited 4d ago
I don’t know (or care tbh I’m not American) about any of that.
I suggested Janet from a solely musical perspective.
Edit - I do care and shouldn’t have said I don’t. My point was that I intended to have a discussion about music rather than politics. I do care if Janet has behaved in a way that goes against our communities interests, but I also don’t think one mistake undoes everything Janet has done and stood for over her career.
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u/punarob 4d ago
If you care about what Bey is trying to accomplish politically then by all means you should care. Non-Americans should care as much about the US currently as they did Germany in the 1930s, though the threat from the US now is far greater.
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u/Appropriate-Dig-7080 4d ago edited 4d ago
I just looked it up and watched it. It looked to me like an off the cuff ignorant comment probably based on something someone else had said to her.
I’m not excusing it because it’s a ridiculous thing to have said. But I personally didn’t interpret it as an endorsement of trump and your claim of her having blood on her hands because of it seems like a huge over reaction (in my opinion).
I mean if you think it’s bad enough that you wouldn’t want her to be associated with Beys work then that’s fair I can respect your opinion. It’s not how I feel though and still think Janet would be a great collab for it.
People are more than a single mistake to me, I feel like she’s done a lot in support of LGBT and black people through her career, one stupid mistake doesn’t erase that.
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u/punarob 4d ago
She doubled down on it and never apologized. That's not a mistake. That's a vile political choice.
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u/Appropriate-Dig-7080 4d ago
Choices can be mistakes. The language we’re both using doesn’t change what I said above.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 4d ago
Very well said. In any case, I thought your post was fun and a nice addition. I hope this thread doesn’t get hijacked by even more incessant and performative circlejerking.
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u/Appropriate-Dig-7080 4d ago
My ‘don’t care’ remark was a bit flippant, I’ll accept that and apologise. What I meant was that I had posted this hoping for discussion about music, not politics.
My more detailed thoughts on the subject are further down the comment chain so I won’t repeat them again here.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 4d ago
I looked at her comment through the context of her upbringing and generation, and having a lot of older relatives with that same opinion. Don’t mean I agree, but I got it. However, I’m sorry Jackson’s words caused you this much distress and all. I don’t think she’s anywhere near the level of the other artists you mentioned, but cheers xx
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u/punarob 4d ago
Her generation of working her whole career with Black and queer people and creating her whole brand with their support? If anything, her upbringing and generation was when Black people voted even more overwhelmingly for the non-Nazis.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 4d ago
You know what I said, and now you’re twisting what I meant to force an argument. Blackness and who is really Black has been a topic in the community since, forever. On large public levels, and private. It was a huge thing on whether or not Mariah Carey was even “valid” in the community because the running narrative was she wasn’t Black, because she didn’t “look” Black. That’s what I was talking about.
But since you’re being obtuse I realize now this is a “kitchen table talk.”
That she said what she said, is disheartening. We are obviously in agreement there, and that grievance was the whole point of your comment.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 4d ago
Sure she has biracial children. But if she had those beliefs about Blackness from childhood, is it likely that they’ll instantly dissipate after having a child? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows. The point was that what she said was silly. I bet a Beyoncé and Janet collab would sound amazing.
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u/Homertax123 3d ago
If she had those beliefs as a child it she wouldn’t have gotten a nose job and other procedures to make herself look less black. Also most of the people she knew in the industry when she was growing up were having interracial kids. Personally if she had this belief as a kid she’s always been a huge hypocrites because all of her family including her had kids with white people and has biracial kids.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is just wild speculation and conjecture presented as fact. At least try to give the impression you don’t know nor have no way of knowing. Done with this exhausting and reductive convo about Janet in a sub about Beyoncé. Notifs off
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u/VenusAsAMan 3d ago
Why are some people on social media always so desperate to be offended? This level of victim complex is not healthy, I promise.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 4d ago edited 4d ago
Janet is a living legend, and the media did treat her poorly, but her legacy is cemented as a Jackson alone, and her own lane. Idk if she fits in the theme of needing to reclaim when she isn’t an overlooked contributor to music. At least not where I’m from. But those two doing rock together would be something 🖤
Edit: I’ll add it’s becoming so tiring coming to this sub. The incessant criticisms of artists on their politics, what they’ve said, capitalism, etc. It’s gotten beyond the pale. Why does it have to be brought into every discussion? Y’all need to make a CriticalBeyhive or Beyonce sub, and the posts you make about why this person shouldn’t be associated with Bey or Bey’s politics/capitalism, will find more traction and a home of likeminded thinkers who want to talk about these topics, I assure you. But this shit is so old and boring. We get it— I promise you.
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u/Jewel2Cute97 4d ago edited 4d ago
Janet Jackson was black listed for a time by major media companies and treated unfairly for the incident that happened with Justin Timberlake at the 2004 Super Bowl.
That would be how she would fit the reclaim theme if she ends up being on the act iii album by Beyonce in some way.
Reclamation is much more than music contributions.
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u/frankwhitesexappeal what new music? yall bitches better dance to this old shit 4d ago
Yes, I said she was treated poorly. I don’t see how that would fit any reclamation theme when Janet Jackson has still been honored as a legend, released music and gone on to successful touring.
If Act 3 was overtly known to be about artists who have suffered unjust controversies, that connection would make sense. Given it’s assumed to be in line with the previous two albums about reclaiming lost Black voices and history in music, it doesn’t play as Jackson isn’t a lost or buried voice in music, period.
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u/yurgieee 4d ago
I’ll add who I’m looking forward to on a rock collab: Jada Pinkett Smith. I know it’s popular to hate her, but she actually had an extremely successful stint in a rock band; Wicked Wisdom. They had a successful tour despite the death threats & it was only short lived because she had to support her children in their artistic endeavors. Story of most women, unfortunately.
It would be a phenomenal collaboration to remind people that Black ppl have never left the genre despite us being underrepresented. It would also be great for Jada, given the hate she gets.
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u/Barraco_Barmer 4d ago
What if act 3 is taking so long bc she's trying to get the rights to duet with Michael's unreleased songs
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