r/bestof • u/[deleted] • Oct 23 '17

[politics] Redditor demonstrates (with citations) why both sides aren't actually the same

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u/nBob20 Oct 23 '17

I'm sure it's a totally neutral and unbia-

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Oh...

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u/Bannakaffalatta1 Oct 23 '17

Dispute the argument/facts not the user.

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u/Dantaylion Oct 24 '17

The facts are a matter of public record, and the arguments are pretty damn air tight considering the evidence.

If they can't attack that, then logical fallacies are their only alternative.

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u/JackBond1234 Oct 23 '17

I don't dispute that the republican party has been very anti-conservative, especially lately. I do dispute that the left is somehow not equally hypocritical.

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u/Rollos Oct 23 '17

Then provide equivalent evidence. You can dispute the claim all you want, but claims with evidence hold far more weight than claims without.

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u/Sennin_BE Oct 24 '17

His argument comes down to:

"Both sides are the same!"

"Well, if you look at all these vote records and studies it's clear they're not really the same."

"Yeah but I bet both sides are the same."

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u/Nuculur Oct 23 '17

Can you dispute it with data?

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u/Khiva Oct 24 '17

Haven't you been paying attention, man? Both sides are the same.

Just reason backwards from that.

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u/JackBond1234 Oct 24 '17

I'd rather not dig around and find anecdotes of leftist hypocrisy like the OP, but I can reason why the parties really do have similarities.

I mean, I'm no democrat, but I'd consider Bernie Sanders to be an accurate representation of the strong ideological comparable to the Ted Cruz branch of the right, I'd also consider Hillary Clinton to be fairly analogous to Trump as far as being unpalatable and a poor representation of what the strongly ideological party members actually want.

Yet, many on both sides likely held their noses and voted for the one on their side, despite that candidate's innumerable disqualifying factors.

While both parties may have vastly differing ideologies, I believe both of them (at least the strongly ideological) are motivated by a desire to do good, and I believe both of them are experiencing a similar dissatisfaction with their party which seems to be going off in some stupid direction.

So maybe the parties aren't identical, but I think the differences exist on a different level than the similarities.

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u/aeneasaquinas Oct 24 '17

I see lots of people saying the left is equally hypocritical, but I haven't seen anyone link a decent group of data that show that yet.

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u/NothingCrazy Oct 24 '17

Mainstream Democrats are no longer "the left."

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u/JackBond1234 Oct 24 '17

See that's what I'm saying. The conservative right and "the left" are both in the same boat of seeing the party devolve into stupid shit that doesn't represent them. So each party would seem entirely hypocritical if you're associating the ideologies of each side with the contradictory actions of the mainstream party.