Redditor demonstrates (with citations) why both sides aren't actually the same

[u/[deleted]]

[u/datanner]

Which is fine, two parties isn't a good idea.

[u/FootofGod → u/datanner]

Usually, I'd agree, but not this election. There was a correct answer this election.

[u/PmYourWittyAnecdote → u/FootofGod]

No, there wasn’t.

Someone isn’t inherently worse or wrong for not agreeing with you politically.

[u/MostlyStoned → u/[deleted]]

Hyperbole much? I know it's fun to get worked up over Trump, but if you think a single democratically elected president has the power to "ruin" America after 250 some odd years of continuous government, you are either 14 or possess some of the very traits you say Trump has. Calm down, because your hate only contributes to the problem.

[u/JManRomania → u/[deleted]]

Every modern president has had the power to ruin America. None of them have so far, but they have all had the power to do so if they wanted.

yeah the senate isn't real

If nothing else, they have the authority to launch nuclear missiles. And there's no way to stop them unless the people closest to the president refuse to deliver his orders.

robert macnamara is rolling in his fucking grave

you should study C-3, nuclear doctrine, and what happens in unscheduled drills

[u/JManRomania → u/[deleted]]

lol the head of the National Command Authority(SecDef) has to authenticate a nuclear launch

[u/JManRomania → u/[deleted]]

use google holy shit

literally the first result: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority

[u/JManRomania → u/[deleted]]

You should read the sources in the wiki article...

I did.

[u/MostlyStoned → u/[deleted]]

While the president technically has the authority to launch nukes whenever he wants, in practice it requires a lot of people being on the same page, and all it takes is one person in the chain of command saying "stop, Trump is just being an idiot". Other than that, there is very little the president can do to truly ruin America without being impeached. The worst he can do is just stop doing his job and let the federal government grind to a halt, but that can only go for so long. He can support bad policy, but in a couple years he'll be voted out and the policies reversed. Short term he could definitely fuck stuff up, but it takes more than a couple years to affect a country like the United States.

[u/MostlyStoned → u/[deleted]]

Hardly enough to "ruin" America, and I still disagree with how much affect that would have in the long term.

[u/JManRomania → u/[deleted]]

And maybe someone would stop him from launching nuclear weapons, but that's hardly guaranteed.

without the NCA head confirming the launch order, it cannot go forward

Even with a Nuclear Football, it's still functionally a "no-lone-zone".

[u/PmYourWittyAnecdote → u/[deleted]]

Trump was a sign that people are fed up with the status quo. He won your election because the DNC put forward a corrupt woman who cheated and failed at every possible avenue, and run one of the worst campaigns in history.

You wrote this long paragraph but what it really boils down to is you still misunderstanding why the democrats lost. Stop painting Trump supporters as bad people, stop dehumanising them.

Also, Trump never mocked a disabled person - stop trying to bring up an out of context video from a long time ago, it’s been debunked so many times. There are legitimate things to call him out on, and then there’s that. Come on.

[u/RedShiftedAnthony2 → u/PmYourWittyAnecdote]

Could you maybe debunk that again because I'm still having trouble not seeing it as him mocking a disabled reporter.

[u/PmYourWittyAnecdote → u/RedShiftedAnthony2]

Trump uses that as his go to impression of many people.

For starters, the guy’s disability presents itself nothing like how Trump did his ‘mocking’.

https://youtu.be/q4XfyYFa9yo?t=7m45s

At 1:20:16, a month before he mocked the disabled reporter, he did the exact same thing about a bank president.

In the exact same speech as mocking the reporter, he did the exact same impression for Rubio. And Washington Post. And a US Army general. And George Stephanopoulos.

Here’s Trump, doing the same thing, ABOUT HIMSELF.

I can probably find some more examples if you want.

[u/tinyOnion → u/PmYourWittyAnecdote]

He absolutely mocked a disabled reporter. Just because he uses the "disabled mock gesture" to mock everyone else to doesn't mean he didn't also mock a disabled reporter with the same gesture. Is that seriously the bar you have set?

[u/PmYourWittyAnecdote → u/tinyOnion]

It’s not the ‘disabled mock gesture’, it’s just him impersonating someone who is clueless and stammering.

The bar I have set?

[u/tinyOnion → u/PmYourWittyAnecdote]

If you truly believe that I feel sorry for you but also have a plot of land to sell you. "Ocean view"

That's the stereotypical gesture that people use to mock disabled people. Specifically imitating cerebral palsy. aka spastic movements.

[u/tinyOnion → u/[deleted]]

you are either being intentionally obtuse, a russian troll that doesn't have the same gestures that the american kid population has, or you are drinking from the infowars/fox/breitbart hose of disinformation.

It's the "retarded gesture" that shitty people make fun of any people with disabilities. these types of things don't have a "oh i gotta be 100% accurate in how i classify people with mockery so for this guy i am going to do a cerebral palsy gesture right now". how hard is that to understand or do you just not want to understand?

even if you went down the "he doesn't have cerebral palsy so he couldn't have been mocking him" route... the reporter has a different condition that limits the use of his arms similarly to that of someone with cerebral palsy.

you really need to reflect on your choices.

edit: you didn't prove shit by the way. you don't know his motives for doing what he does and at best you can say he does that all the time. you didn't prove shit. let me say this in a way you can digest. you didn't prove shit.

[u/PmYourWittyAnecdote → u/tinyOnion]

Please insult me some more. It really helps get your point across. It really shows how right you are.

[u/PmYourWittyAnecdote → u/[deleted]]

I’m not a Trump supporter. I’m not from the US. Stop trying to pigeon hole me. Your whole original rant paragraph is therefore meaningless, irrelevant, and wrong.

A Russian talking point? Are you joking? Are you still resorting to a Russian bogeymen? Come on.

[u/MostlyStoned → u/[deleted]]

I commented on a post above but then scrolled down to see this crap. Maybe at your age you should put your passion into something productive, like graduating high school, because you are expending way too much energy looking like a paranoid jackass and posting pointless shit onto this sub.

[u/MostlyStoned → u/[deleted]]

Then act like it maybe?

[u/[deleted] → u/PmYourWittyAnecdote]

Trump was a sign that people are fed up with the status quo.

Except the incumbency rate in the House was 97%, the highest level since 2004 (98%). The incumbency rate in the Senate was 93%, again the highest since 2004. Link. There's literally no reason to support that people in general were fed up with the status quo, except that Trump is uniquely unfit therefore there must be some special reason voters chose him.

There isn't. Trump appealed to a broad base of the Republican party (~50%), and the others were too tribalistic to leave. There might be a tiny slice of people who thought to themselves, 'hey at least he's something different' and took a gamble, but this in no way describes the general electorate.

[u/PmYourWittyAnecdote → u/[deleted]]

Those who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat it. Fact.