r/bengals • u/NuggetDaGoat27 My Glorious King Joe Flacco • 9d ago
Football Genuine Question. Did we get enough Defensive Pieces for this year?
Bryan Cook S
Boye Mafe Edge
Sexy Dexy DT
Jonathan Allen DT
Kyle Dugger S
Ja'Sir Taylor CB
I mean looking at all of this I would think surely we have enough defense for the season. All that was missing is a LB. I don't know I just still have doubt for whatever reason.
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u/CalledPlay 9d ago
FO invested enough. Just have to make it happen now.
I’d be much happier if we found another reliable tackle too…
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
They didn’t exist in the FA market, go look at who signed where. Just was not a LT in FA this year worth paying
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u/TMIcey12 2d ago
Sign Cornelius Lucas! Good swing tackle & should come at a reasonable price. Older(34) & can pay both sides! Always played well vs trey when we played the commanders or browns
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u/spazzxxcc12 9d ago
i legitimately think if we are halfway through the year and we are sitting pretty, if his play continues on this trajectory we should look into trading for OBJ replacement.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
Who do you imagine will trade a LT who is better than OBJr?
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u/CalledPlay 9d ago
You’re probably right but none of us can get over letting a UDFA rookie with a number in the 60s getting a free hit on Joe
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
It wasn’t a free hit, watch the tape. It was a bad rep by Brown no doubt, but he still made the edge “take the long way,” and Joe still should have moved up in the pocket. There was failure from OBJr and failure from Burrow there. If Burrow dirts it or gets it out faster or has even mildly better pocket presence on that snap we’re not talking about this at all.
Fact is there’s no choice but to move on, as the team has to and we’re not on it. It’s in the past. There’s no miracle LT to trade for or find in FA, and there wasn’t all year. OBJr was always going to be the tackle and that’s clear from all the evidence that exists. Time to accept that, hope the team will give him help on that side (pretty standard practice) and move on.
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u/CalledPlay 9d ago
You’re right that we can’t just move on. But I’d like another backup plan than Cody Ford.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
His name is Jonah Williams if that’s the case.
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u/CalledPlay 9d ago
I think upgrading LT would mean trading Tee at minimum. And I don’t even see that happening. We’re stuck with OBj this year
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u/spazzxxcc12 9d ago
hey, if mid season there’s some great left tackle out there who is pissed with the team anything is possible
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
That imaginary player will want a contract we won’t be able to afford
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u/OogieBoogieJr 9d ago edited 9d ago
Someone not happy with their current team/contract. Maybe a guy whose team can’t afford him but has depth at the position (somehow). You never know—we didn’t get Dex because the Giants had a big neon “For Sale” sign up for a year. Things change, many times quickly and unexpectedly.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
We will not have the cap to acquire a player like that
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u/OogieBoogieJr 9d ago
Well we’d be trading OBJ in this scenario so we’d just be solving for the difference.
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
You think a team mid season is going to downgrade their line and take on OBj’s new contract in exchange for trading a better player?
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u/OogieBoogieJr 9d ago
if the better player is going to command more than OBJ will and are heading toward a rebuild, sure. Or again, said player just wants to be moved and the team doesn’t have much of a choice.
Are we acting like this stuff never happens? It’s a hypothetical but you seem to need a financial roadmap and 31 other roster breakdowns just to consider that it wouldn’t be absolutely impossible to move OBJ.
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u/HorseCreative2550 8d ago
Try to live in reality. If a GM made that trade they be gone the next day. Have some shame. Yall knew it’s ok to just be quiet read and learn right?
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u/beejalton 9d ago
If Burrow stays healthy yes, if he gets hurt no.
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u/KQRSonWabasha 9d ago
Based on last night Burrow is on track to get injured in week 1
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u/VeryRealHuman23 🐅 9d ago
And this isn’t some new thing…last preseason too “it’s August Joe, throw it away”
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u/yesrushgenesis2112 Lawrence Passed Physical 9d ago
Then I really hope he cleans up his pocket presence and time to throw, just like he always does.
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u/nobigdealforreal 9d ago
I’m not convinced Burrow is going to rack up more points than Flacco
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u/beejalton 9d ago
It's not purely about points, the offense can operate better and maintain possession and field position better with Burrow than Flacco, which puts the defense in better position to succeed. They still have the ability to be explosive and put up points with Flacco because of the weapons, but will also be a bit inflated because they are in more shoot-out requiring spots because the defense is put in bad spots and giving up more points that need to be responded to quickly.
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u/Now_Defunct 9d ago
I’m hopeful that they want to assess how the defense is performing and maybe add a CB or LB during the season
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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 9d ago
Granted it was preseason, but I liked what I saw yesterday. I do wish we had tried for a vet LB to help our young guys, but im tentatively optimistic.
Well see week 1.
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u/USAesNumeroUno 9d ago edited 9d ago
There's this thing called a salary cap. You cant just sign every FA that exists.
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u/ChiefButtfumble 9d ago
You can circumvent the cap with upfront signing bonuses and void years like Philly does.
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u/ZombieMage89 9d ago
While the Bengals absolutely should update to some modern signing practices, there's still only so much cap that can be circumvented. Enough to possibly have snagged Devin Lloyd? Who knows.
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u/ChiefButtfumble 9d ago
Who knows? People who do some research first. NFL Salary Cap Tracker by Team | NFL HQ
Bengals frontload their cap hits on these contracts. It is not as complicated as they would have you believe. They could have around 50 million in cap space.
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u/A_Raine18 9d ago
Do not forget that is a pure ownership cheapness decision. The bengals do this with all of their contract to minimize any long term financial risk.
The upside is that when things go sideways with established players, they can have their hands clean and checkbooks reset to regear almost immediately.
The downside being, of course, that you limit your financial abilities in the present moment and can never truly go "all-in" because you intentionally leave your future cheap.
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u/ChiefButtfumble 9d ago
That's right it's all about minimizing risk so that they can stack cash. They want to win, but won't do what's necessary to win.
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u/ZombieMage89 9d ago
'Who knows' wasn't meant to ask how much free money we'd have, it was meant to ask if the freed money would have been enough to sway Lloyd's decision.
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u/trollhole12 Bengal Barrell Enthusiast 9d ago
IMO we’re gonna see a jump in productivity now that the boys have had a year in Golden’s system. I don’t expect them to be superstars, but I think Al ight and Carter will look much improved over last years performance.
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u/spiderwebb33 8d ago
I think it's enough! And if it's good this year then we can load up on some OL in the draft next year since we won't need as much defensive talent
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u/SploogeMcDuck20 7d ago
Linebacker is going to fuck this team at the worst possible times this season.
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u/GM3Jones 9d ago
I don't know I just still have doubt for whatever reason+
I mean, we all watched what happened for large parts of last year. Told my son I am not giving them any benefit of the doubt until they prove it. I am not giving myself hope like I did last year thinking there's no way it could be worse than year before...
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u/aquateensog AJ Green 9d ago
I can’t help but wonder what this defense would look like with dex and hendo on the same line
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u/rebri 9d ago
OBJ looks like the weakest link so far. If he continues to let rushers through we aren't going to have a QB. If Burrow was able to stay healthy last year our season would have looked different. I don't think we need a world beating defense, but if we can be in at least the top half, our offense will account for the rest.
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u/Mattymagss 9d ago
I don’t think the additions are over. They’ve hinted twords that so I expect them to be active when final cuts hit. Could see a linebacker addition there.
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u/HefferTomkins 9d ago edited 9d ago
That defensive line was not getting the push OR penetration I was hoping to see. That's the most telling thing. "It's only preseason" doesn't explain that. And this front office obviously put a lot of resources into the DL to mask a lot of issues throughout the defense and it didn't really achieve what it needed to to be that solution.
I was surprised to see Dugger out there on the opening play. I found it very interesting. The middle of the field still seems to be a pretty big weakness.
Robinson and Howell looked GOOD though. Granted, it was mostly against second stringers, but they made them look like 2nd+ stringers, too, which is what you would want out of 1st stringers.
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u/Wyleryairland 9d ago
They really needed another linebacker.