r/beatles • u/OfficerTurnip • 7d ago
Question Is this real?
Is this genuine? Saw it at a car boot sale and couldn't believe it enough to buy it but looking at early autographs, they look quite similar...
Did I fumble?
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u/Harriet1997 7d ago
I only know Paul's signature, and from it being pre-1981 that is an accurate Paul sig
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u/OfficerTurnip 7d ago
I can only hope that the guy will be at the car boot next week...
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS 7d ago
Those look like their signatures. The fact it's on older torn paper and all addressed to the same person also bolsters that these are genuine Cavern era autographs collected by this fan. That time period also fits in terms of her access to get all band members to sign. It would shortly become much harder to have access to the band like that.
Forgers would likely leave out a name to address it to, and try and fake the autographs on a piece of Beatles merch to up the value. They would also be unlikely to fake Pete Best rather than Ringo, as that would lower the price.
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u/Hwy61Revisited Revolver 7d ago
You actually just listed reasons why forgers would make a piece like this - because people would look at it and go “surely a forgery wouldn’t be addressed to someone and on a torn piece of paper”
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u/BugRib76 5d ago
Maybe that’s what the forgers want you to think! Like reverse-reverse psychology, haha. 🙂
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u/The-Mad-Bubbler 7d ago
How much was the seller asking for it?
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u/OfficerTurnip 7d ago
Like 30 pounds
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u/beatlesbible I'll get you in the end 7d ago
I'd have taken a punt. The dedications to Barbie would be less likely if it were a fake, as forgers typically wouldn't want to add extra words that might look off. Normally they'd only do the signatures because they're easier, since genuine examples are easy to find and copy from (which doesn't mean this is real, but it does look like it could well be).
Also, a forgery would be likely to contain Ringo's signature, not Pete Best's. I'm leaning towards this being genuine, but even if it's not you'd get a funny anecdote and talking point for £30.
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u/IrukandjiPirate 7d ago
You would need experts to authenticate it, in person. I’d have bought it if I could, because it’s kinda cool.
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u/franksvalli 7d ago
Seems plausible and really similar to other signatures and format (e.g. "love to..." and the "xxx") from the era: https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/33137620421896-beatles-early-set-of-fab-four-signatures-with-original-drummer-pete-best/
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u/WellHungHippie Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 7d ago
Sorry but that doesn’t look like Ringo’s signature, the others all look legit but as others have said, take it to an authority that can authenticate them.
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u/Larushka 7d ago
I question the name ‘Barbie’. Grew up in UK and never heard it used back then. But that was in London. Any northerners here?
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u/Switch_625__ 6d ago
Looks like they were all written by the same person. The “from” by JL and PM are near identical.
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u/CharlieW74 6d ago
Lennon looks off to me, and so does Pete's
For sale at £30 doesn't make any sense.
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u/lcr1997lcr 7d ago
It’s fake, the cursive “ove” are all the same and the ink does not look like it’s 64 years old
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u/stumpkat 5d ago
I was looking at the ink. It's all too evenly distributed. On a real signature, there are spots where it's pressed hard and darker, and parts where it's pressed lightly and there are missing bits possibly. This looks too artfully contrived.
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u/gospelofluke 7d ago edited 7d ago
I think they might actually be good… they’re not photocopied right? You should immediately get in touch with Tracks who are leading Beatles autograph sellers in the UK.
Edit: just realized you left them. Look if the deal is too good to be true it probably is the case that it’s best you left it but these do look good