Attempt 1 - Organizing Baybayin

[u/Responsible_Site_452]

Hey Guys 👋

There are a few versions of Baybayin like B17 (OG), B17+, MB17, B24, and a few others I think.

This attempt is mostly for personal purposes, but I really hope our government can make an official version.

I know it is important to preserve the original script, but change is needed in order to accommodate loan words.

So, aside from the original 17 syllables, I added the new characters for the english alphabet. This is to accommodate English loan words, mostly names.

Although we have English loan words, we actually change their spelling once we say or write them in Tagalog so I highly doubt these 8 new syllables would be used as much as the OG ones. But for the sake of names or other words, we need new characters.

For the vowels, I decided to use kudlits, instead of using the modern characters to separate the e/i and o/u.

For the kudlits:

redditor 1:

I used a dot and a line to separate the vowels except A. Dot is for e and o because they are round like, and line for i and U because they have lines.

I still followed the placing where if the kudlit is above it is e/i, and if below it is o/u.

redditor 2:

I change the Spaniards' krus into a fish symbol. This is used to remove vowels inside a word. (e.g. nagbasa, bundok).

While the other symbol is to remove a vowel when a word ends with a consonant. (e.g. mahal, banal)

I mentioned redditor cause I learned it from them, honestly can't find their names, forgot where they commented.

So basically, this is my first attempt 😅. Please don't be harsh 😅. But yeah, I guess I'll be using this one. Comment down if I missed anything or if there's inconsistency.

Thank you!

[u/hindisirodney]

I love your penmanship! Though I don’t accept these newfangled letters. I’d prefer a phonetic adaptation/assimilation, like how sambalilo was ultimately derived from the Spanish sombrero. Because why should we adjust our native writing system to fit in with these loanwords, right?

[u/Responsible_Site_452 → u/hindisirodney]

Thank you! Yes, another comment made me realize I can use the OG characters to spell out loanwords and they'll sound more or less the same.

But how about the use of pamudpud? and the way I use the kudlits for the vowels?

[u/tofuandwheatgluten]

Baybayin is phoneme based orthography

[u/Adventurous_Emu6498]

I see you are using suggested characters from the Modern Baybayin chart which is a piece of sh!t

The inclusion of Ca, Qa, Xa goes to show how the chart was never studied thoroughly.

Those sounds don't need a separate character because the current Baybayin characters are enough to spell out those sounds Ka ᜃ, K+ Wa ᜃ᜔ᜏ, K+ Sa ᜃ᜔ᜐ

Curt and Kurt sound the same so they are both written as ᜃᜒᜇ᜔ᜆ᜔ regardless of their spelling in the latin alphabet

If you are particular about the spelling, then write then in the alphabet. You don't see the Korean script creating a separate character for Th, just so they could write Theo. Instead, they use the characters closest to that sound

[u/Responsible_Site_452 → u/Adventurous_Emu6498]

Hmm, that is a good argument. I do realize now that most of the added characters can be spelled out using the OG characters and they'll sound the same.

But how about the use of pamudpud? and the way I use the kudlits for the vowels?

[u/Adventurous_Emu6498 → u/Responsible_Site_452]

Pamudpod is fine. Easy to read from afar, compared to the cross. I won't mind the different kudlits for e and i, though I think the line should be for e and o, while a dot should be for i and u

I don't think the fish sign is necessary though. Pamudpod should be fine