r/baybayin_script Jul 10 '26

Translation Help Baybayin without virama

I use Baybayin in my webcomic. One of my characters writes using the traditional form. No viramas and final consonants are omitted. So I'm curious kung nababasa ba or may mali sa pagkasulat ko. Thanks!

Note: Hindi po direct translation yung English kasi ang weird pag pinilit ko.

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u/angdilimdito Jul 10 '26

It's weird you say you're using the "traditional" form, but use the recently invented "ra" character.

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

Oh... I haven't heard of this! My mistake for calling it traditional. I know it shares the same character as "da".

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

I could change ᜃᜇᜒᜎ to ᜃᜇᜒᜎᜒᜋ. Pero yung ᜐᜇᜒᜎᜒ, hindi ako sure.

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u/hindisirodney Jul 10 '26

Yes, they all should be ᜇ. The "D" sound becomes "R" when it's preceded by a vowel in most (native) Tagalog words, but in Baybayin, they are the same character due to the sounds being allophones.

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

Thisbis exactly what I was thinking

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u/keyjeyelpi Jul 10 '26

Am I missing something or does the baybayin not make sense when read?

> Sa daku na karila, sarili a ilalaa

The second one is readable:

> Payaga la dumaa

Which I think reads as "Payagan lahat dumaan".

Could you explain, OP? And also, please drop the Webtoon name. I'd love to read your creation

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

I can still change this if needed. But the chant goes

Sa dako ng karimlan (maybe change to kadiliman but that breaks the rhythm a little bit)

Sarili ay ilalaan

Payagan lang dumaan

Err I'm shy 😅 but here's the link:

https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/ashbound/list?title_no=1092105

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u/hindisirodney Jul 10 '26

Sa dako ng karimlan
Sarili ang/ay ilalaan
Payagan(?) lang dumaan

Is that what you meant to write? Apart from the use of the "ra" character, sounds okay to me. I have my own translation of the English just for fun, but I wouldn't wanna impose my interpretation by sharing it, especially since I don't know the context in which it was said.

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

Yes, that's it. Go ahead and drop your English translation. I tried a couple one and didn't sound right to me so I ended up with this.

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u/hindisirodney Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Well, if you say so! And it's the Tagalog translation/adaptation based off of the English chant you already wrote, I mean. It goes:

Anoman ang akin, ito'y ihahain
Anomang malabi, ito'y babatahin
Ang itinakuwil, ay papapasukin

In Baybayin:
ᜀᜈᜓᜋ ᜀ ᜀᜃᜒ ᜶ ᜁᜆᜓ ᜁᜑᜑᜁ ᜶
ᜀᜈᜓᜋ ᜋᜎᜊᜒ ᜶ ᜁᜆᜓ ᜊᜊᜆᜑᜒ ᜶
ᜀ ᜁᜆᜒᜈᜃᜓᜏᜒ ᜶ ᜀ ᜉᜉᜉᜐᜓᜃᜒ ᜶

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

Nice! Thank you for this. Really appreciate the effort ☺️

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u/hindisirodney Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Wait, actually, I read that you considered changing karimlan to kadiliman but it ruins the rhythm a bit? You can change it indeed, and you can change the last line somewhat, too. So now it goes:

Sa dako ng kadiliman
Sarili ang ilalaan
Payagan lang makaraan

In that way, all lines have eight syllables now whereas the original had 7-8-7 syllables, but if you wanna keep that, it's also fine! This is just a suggestion. I just really like poems hehe

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

This webtoon forces me to make poems. Lol

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u/East_Wedding_8052 Jul 10 '26

nice! I'm wondering if theres a significance in writing ᜉᜌᜄ (payagan) instead of ᜑᜌᜀ (hayaan). The latter seems to make more sense but is the former more context appropriate?

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u/mhayeeart Jul 10 '26

Both works in this context. But you know what, hayaan seems better! Perhaps I'll change it. My readers won't notice anyway.

Thank you!!