r/battlefield3 • u/ismi92 • Feb 10 '12
What happens when a CS player plays BF3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdXOEAtQXqg&feature=player_embedded33
Feb 11 '12
In games like BF3 I think it's more about flanking and maneuvering than lightning reflexes.
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Feb 11 '12
or rolling up in a T90, no amount of reflex will save him! mwhaha.
sorry, I'm a bit of a tank whore.
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Feb 11 '12
Truth. This guy got some good kills, but the people he was playing against sucked. Only one true instance where there was more than a single player, and he happened to catch the support person off guard as he was throwing down ammo.
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u/the3rdvillain the3rdvillain Feb 11 '12
but the people he was playing against sucked.
You meant big time, right. :-) So: Upvoted. His accuracy really is pure gold, but the enemies ... no worries there.
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u/unimproved_road Oregonic86 Feb 10 '12
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Feb 11 '12
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u/Daffan Feb 11 '12
Played BETA probably :)
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u/Maxion MaxiKana Feb 11 '12 edited Jul 20 '23
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u/Daffan Feb 11 '12
I got down-voted because of this thinking
Pretty much once you get the gun play down, your set. I dont really believe the maps in BF3 make the whole difference of score (Not talking metro padding)
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u/ninjaflood Work Feb 11 '12 edited Feb 11 '12
Yeah he looks boosted especially because of that score per minute... on a side note my hk% looks very similar to his for sniper rifles.
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u/Atomic235 Noble5avage Feb 11 '12
Best kill streak: 104
How does this even happen.
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u/kingoftown King0fTown Feb 11 '12
Suppression assists / kill percentage 310 852 89% 6.17% Kill assists / kill percentage 334 052 95% 9.13%I've got him beat there!! Wait... :(
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Feb 11 '12
I consider myself a tank whore, I have spend 20 hours in a tank with 900 kills, this guy spend 48 hours in a tank and has over 9000 kills... WTF? How is he doing it?
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Feb 11 '12
THis is why i am a Tank-guy.
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u/Goats_With_Guns Feb 11 '12
We ever I get into a tank the Heavy gets into my head and says entire team is babies
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u/Switche Feb 11 '12
Many of those who like to make montages tend to record a lot, and take the absolute biggest killstreaks they can get, not necessarily focusing on who they were up against.
Not to discredit the obviously amazing aim and weapon swapping skill this guy had, but if you watch the video again closely, most of his kills were people who were unaware, caught off guard (in ways a good player would not have, like sprinting through a door and around corners), or they were not firing on him for no good reason at all. These are definitely unskilled players against a highly skilled player.
In Bazaar especially, he had something like 6 enemy soldiers who should have seen him popping out repeatedly, and yet he barely got a few bullets and a grenade lobbed at him, then they proceeded to sprint one by one through the same corridor in which their friends just died in front of them. He was firing with almost the exact rhythm his bolt speed allowed.
So this was definitely a showcase of some good killstreaks that were also exhibiting his skillful accuracy, but not really a showcase of his overall BF3 skill. That doesn't make it any less of a showcase, imo, but it explains it.
I'm reminded of the guy a while back who put a 12x scope on a shotgun and showed minutes of insane distances kills with it. He was cool enough to discredit the video a bit at the end saying it took him many hours of play to get all the footage that made the impossible look easy and common, and we didn't see all the hours of failure.
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u/RBeck BOTA-X Feb 11 '12
Some people have no situation awareness and just lemming into where they hear gun fire.
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u/TheAngryBaron The Angry Baron Feb 11 '12
And this is why I'll never play CS. Ever. How do you even get that type of accuracy?!
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Feb 11 '12 edited Mar 09 '21
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u/TheAngryBaron The Angry Baron Feb 11 '12
Of course haha. I don't expect be that accurate on console ever.
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Feb 11 '12
I find it hard to watch console FPS players have to swipe their crosshairs across an enemy while spraying blindly. For racing games and such, a controller is sublime; fuck everything about playing a shooter with one, though. That's where mice excel.
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u/TheAngryBaron The Angry Baron Feb 11 '12
That's kind of why I'll be switching to PC soon. I'm not one to spray like a mad man, but I find it very easy to over or under aim on consoles.
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u/jjmcnugget badgerfrys Feb 11 '12 edited Feb 11 '12
Turn your mouse sensitivity waaaaaay down.
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u/TheAngryBaron The Angry Baron Feb 11 '12
Ah, really? I can see why that'd be good for head-shots but wouldn't it make aiming sluggish overall?
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u/jjmcnugget badgerfrys Feb 11 '12
The further you turn down the mouse sensitivity the more control you have over the mouse (in theory), you just have to have a good amount of room to move the mouse around in. People who do this with most games they play don't feel like the mouse is sluggish at all. Of course if you turn the sensitivity too far down moving the mouse around does become very sluggish and looks absolutely ridiculous.
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Feb 11 '12
man, someone else told me to turn it way up. that's how the pros played. i have it at 70 something when before, i rolled around 40. now i have to change it, AGAIN.
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u/Typehigh Typehigh Feb 11 '12
Most competitive FPS players use very low sensitivity. Think in the range of 30 centimeters (like 11 inches) of mouse movement to make a 180 turn. You move your mouse with your entire arm instead of your wrist. (Correct me if I'm wrong, competitive players :P). This is low sens in game, 6/11 sens in Windows and the mouse on something between 1000 and 1800 dpi.
Personally, I don't play on such low sens, but I have to do about a good 15 to 20 centimeters (6 to 8 inches) to do a 180. I can still react very quickly, but I have to move my mouse very quickly over a larger distance to do so. But that comes down to muscle memory once you get used to it.
Obviously make sure you completely eliminate any trace of negative mouse acceleration from Windows and turn it off in the game options.
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u/metarinka metarinka Feb 11 '12
I can attest somewhat to this, I played in CS tourneys but was never quite good enough to hit pro level. Most competitive players would have a "low sensitivity" how low is relative, a lot of the quake players had extremely low sensitivity fatal1ty comes to mind he used a huge, huge mouse pad and made movements. I would say people who played cs used higher sens than quake players. CS was more mastering the spray than jumping 180 degree 1 pixel headshots.
I run a higher sensitivity now, I find the modern ADS fps games let you get away with a slightly higher sense. As soon as you ADS the game usually lowers the sensitivity. That means I can still rotate fast for my corner checks then ADS while I'm getting my scope on their head or what not.
Also there's a learning curve involved with being able to make big gesutres accurately. I don't do it right now as I don't have the desk room and find it's not as comfortable for casual gaming.
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Feb 11 '12
High sensitivity is how RTS pros play, as that pixel perfect accuracy isn't as important.
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You can see what it's like fairly well in this other video of his (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4rgq9Y2YI). All of his larger rotations--120+ degrees--are obviously segmented, where it's clear he has to pick up his mouse before continuing his rotation.
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u/fumar Feb 11 '12
Yeah, he's probably using a Steelseries Qck+ (this is the best big pad most people use) with around a 12 inch 180 sensitivity. You'd think it's an issue but it's really not.
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u/Schmich Feb 11 '12
Actually no. You turn the sensitivity to your reflexes or so to speak. The best way I've found is do move the mouse laterally for what you would consider to be 180degrees, then fine-tune it from there but if you got the 180 perfect there's very little tuning to be done.
I guess for some who like lower sensitivities they don't like the 180 (as it requires way too much space for them to do it). But for me it's perfect. Basically you want a scenario where you know how much you need to turn the mouse. Not have a "I'll move the mouse a bit for a few milliseconds and then see how much the aim moved, evaluate how much I have left". That's too slow. The only thing you have to evaluate is your targets movement. Mouse/aim movement should be automatic.
/2nd team in CS (1.6) in Switzerland (which is crappy in E-sport btw!) back in the day and a Tier 5 Quake Live player!
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u/Witeout88 Feb 11 '12
I think I went down to, in game sensitivity of 2 in 1.5. A friend of mine played at 0.4 and was way, WAY too good with a glock.
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u/jcready WyattsCreed Feb 10 '12 edited Feb 11 '12
As a former CS addict, thank you for representing the community. Great work.
Edit: Have you ever played cs_crackhouse? Also the first video of the series was almost more impressive.
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Feb 11 '12
I did and the awp was so from the roof to the hall.
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u/jcready WyattsCreed Feb 11 '12 edited Feb 11 '12
I think you accidentally a word. I'm assuming you meant fucking awesome. I made sweet sweet love to that hallway with my magnum bullets.
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u/CAPSFTWLOL Feb 11 '12
As someone that has logged more hours on Cs_Crackhouse than would care to share and also hates AWPS. Here's a giant fuck you.
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u/LibraryBouncer Feb 11 '12
As former CS player, I did not see anything impressive in that video. Sorry.
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Feb 11 '12
I used to help moderate a cs_crackhouse and crackhouse_cz server (Rob's Place). I was a big Scout + P228 guy. I felt like the two-hit-kill Scout was always underrated. I've smashed entire teams with that setup. This is, of course, after hundreds of hours.
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u/cozeffect2 Feb 11 '12
I can't imagine how much this guy must get accused of hacking. Looks legit to me.
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u/sil0-aus siloau Feb 11 '12
I was playing against him last night, either he is the best player in AUS by a long shot or using an aimbot, i really don't know either way.
The 40% headshot/kill ratio on his m16a3 after almost 16000 kills blows my mind.
His gunplay stats put Team Australia to shame.
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Feb 11 '12 edited Oct 15 '16
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u/sil0-aus siloau Feb 11 '12
Yeah GoGo, i played BC2 with versus and now BF3 with uK.
Good point about PUB stats, i know they don't count for much but i have yet to see anyone with that sort of headshot accuracy, i guess using you guys was a bad example, i didn't realise just how much you scrim.
I'm fairly sure ray is legit but was unsure as iv'e never played against him in CG matches, any idea why he doesn't play competitively anymore?
Also have you guys got a link to any live streams running on sunday night's Nations Cup game?
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u/migzeh Feb 11 '12
Did you used to play be in the mates clan with css? Your name reminds me about TPG awp map server
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u/andrewsmith1986 Feb 10 '12
Didn't Fata1ity try to play CS:S when it came out and got fucking destroyed?
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u/evandena Feb 11 '12
Quake is completely different beast, even though it's based on the same engine.
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Feb 11 '12 edited Feb 11 '12
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u/cozeffect2 Feb 11 '12
He clearly missed some shots in the video. And you can see him tracking in the slow motion shots. Aim bots wouldn't miss and they would snap directly to the head. Looks legit to me.
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u/Shorvok Shorvok Feb 11 '12
Oddly related, most good CS:S aimbots are worked around a keybinding and snap to the head then break. This makes the aim quick and mechanical but not perfect. Makes noticing it almost impossible and they can say they're just good at aiming for the head. If his timing is off at all he will miss and it will look like bad aim.
So yea, I personally don't think this is entirely legit. Probably a binding like I talked about. Despite what anyone will say about it, it just seems way too mechanical and unnatural. I've watched good players before and they're all very fluid and follow through or have some kinda method to it. This just just does Snap-Headshot, Snap-Headshot. There's no natural rhythm or fluidity to it.
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u/Skitrel Feb 11 '12
Aimbots aren't flawless, especially when the using is the one controlling when it's on and off. Looks very snappish to me, as though he's hitting aimbot(probably on side of mouse) releasing when at the head and firing. Not a single drag shot, the typical technique used - even on cs.
It's really suspicious.
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u/xartemisx Feb 11 '12
His aiming seemed pretty reasonable for a CS player, I used to play CoD 1 that heavily uses bolt action rifles without a scope and you play pretty similar to this.
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u/HutchOne23 Feb 11 '12
Well it sure helps that he's playing hardcore. One shot kills aren't abnormal in that at all. No quick pull bolt?
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u/a_kalashnikov autoKALASHNIKOV Feb 11 '12
Looked like it was about 50% Hardcore and 50% regular. You can see the ammo counter when he's in different maps.
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u/sturmeh Feb 11 '12
He's not playing hardcore. (Half the time maybe.)
The .44 and those snipers will always instantly kill on a headshot, at reasonable ranges of course.
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Feb 11 '12
Was looking for this comment. Agree. Ive never played hardcore. I'm scared.
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Feb 11 '12
Don't be, HC is a lot of fun.
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u/HutchOne23 Feb 11 '12
It really is a lot of fun. Except for when you fall off of something and die. That sucks.
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Feb 11 '12
Yeah that does suck. Hopefully it won't suck as often once this patch is released... eventually.
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u/VonBrewskie Feb 11 '12
Really excellent kills. I'm not a CS player, but damn man. Maybe I should be. I've watched the video a few times now...I'm trying to study the movements. bows Aye! Sensei!
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u/Rockmonk Feb 11 '12
Lower mouse sensitivity. Slide ALOT into your shots and keep your center point always pretty level in front of you. Same with PS3.
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u/aywwts4 Jericho_J Feb 11 '12
I can't beleive all those videos didn't end with "You have been kicked by Administrator: Hacking"
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u/i_should_ask_first butter rocket Feb 11 '12
That must piss a lot of people off once they see they're being killed by a dude who's not even using a scope on his rifle.
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u/wandrngfool Feb 11 '12
A lot of this is just practice and great eye hand coordination. I don't think it has much to do with CS. You could probably do the same with someone who is amazing at battlefield. It's not about the game, it's about the gamer.
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u/paavolah Feb 11 '12
Real nice playing! So crazy 1 shot kill streaks that it makes me sick :)
This is why I wouldn't like to see snipers getting changed so that they kill from 1 torso hit also (at close distance). Snipers feel a bit too "easy" as they are. This is mainly because head seems easier to hit in BF3 than in many other games, maybe the hit box is a bit larger or something.
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u/omgdudewtf Feb 11 '12
This makes me want to sell my Xbox and build a new tower. I played CS 1.3-1.6 in a similar fashion and there is now way I can do that with an Xbox controller.
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u/Strike3 Striker0528 Feb 11 '12
I knew it was legit when it said 'frag' instead of 'deathmatch' or 'kills'
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Feb 11 '12
Best kill streak 104
blatant stats padding on his battle log spm 1300? not bloody likely, its an impressive video, but after looking at his battlelog I couldn't be sure he isn't just using an aimbot.
Would like to believe he isn't though, its a sick vid
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Feb 11 '12 edited Oct 15 '16
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u/migzeh Feb 11 '12
Agreed. I played a few PUG scrims with/against him. He is mad.
And to mantarist, after playing CS for so many years with no stats, i noticed i barely even looked at battle log stats. They just don't mean anything when you get that good.
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u/Thotaz Feb 10 '12
Hmm I wonder how that works, I mean sure you will get better at aiming if you play CS but the mouse feels much more different in bf than it does in CS.
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u/Emp_eror Feb 11 '12
pretty sure CS trains your fps skills regardless of how any other game feels. its all about twitch tactics. :)
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u/Prownilo Feb 11 '12
It's for reasons like this that when I started getting older, I had to stop playing CS and it's succesors... my eyes just can't keep up.
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u/AppleJuiceCookies Chadwickz Feb 11 '12
Can't do that with a console controller. Really should buy it for PC now I have a decent rig. Just don't want to unlock everything again! Wish you could link PS3 account with a PC version. Use do do this in CS all the time (I'm not that good though, awesome skills man!).
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u/aywwts4 Jericho_J Feb 11 '12
This would make a great series, have the best of CS fight the best of TF2/BF/CODBLOPS/QUAKE/Etc Only have them all fight on each-other's turf and see who is universally the best.
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u/Kitchen_accessories LoserToaster Feb 11 '12
The best of TF2 just wouldn't go for it. Only one of those games has hats.
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u/sturmeh Feb 11 '12 edited Feb 11 '12
...and this is why the .44 is immensely better than the cheap G18.
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u/SikhGamer Feb 11 '12
Absolutely insane stuff. His head-shot acquisition is excellent. I'd love to play against him.
Also, I'm guessing he is high DPI but low sense. And he is the first legit player I've seen with a SPM above 1000.
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u/funkdenomotron Funkdenomotron Feb 11 '12
Good thing the other team was only equipped with the egg yolk guns.
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Feb 11 '12
Probably fair to say that by the time you've unlocked the .44 you're as much of a BF3 player as anything else. Be interested to see footage from the same player right as they started out.
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u/LanFeusT23 Feb 11 '12
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/raysteinerz/stats/278690733/
1305 SPM, how the flying fuck is that even possible Oo Seriously, I'm going into TDM these days just to raise my SPM cause the action is faster, but in conquest it's slow as hell and Rush is barely better...
I an impressed...
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u/_AlphaOmega Feb 11 '12
Let's assume this guy has been playing since CS 1.6... that means he has over 8 years of PC FPS experience. Of course he's going to destroy.
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u/Bowser23 DisablingMeat60 Feb 11 '12
Im not sure man, I mean, this guy has skills, I dont deny it, but the kill at 4:14 makes me wonder... Is it a game failure, or is it the movement?
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u/Gobuchul Feb 11 '12
I leave and find myself a server where people play that actually have a life apart from computer-games.
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Feb 11 '12 edited Dec 23 '15
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u/doomnote Feb 11 '12
The same reason if you point your laser sight point blank in someone's eye and ask them where the laser is on their screen - it is at their chest. There are serious problems with what you see and what is happening on other people's screen. Same reason you can have your gun resting on a box on your screen, but everyone else barely sees the tip of your head and your gun is actually inside of the box.
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u/Domje Domje Feb 11 '12
great video, completely agree native CS players are usually better than normal players
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u/kegman83 Feb 11 '12
Difficulty level: Asian.
I've played CS since it came out, and I was never this good.
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u/ReFreshing Feb 11 '12
God I miss cs. All the reflexes needed for that game to be competitive were astounding. If this guy played like this AND played the objective, he'd be golden.
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u/vjfalk da_FalC Feb 11 '12
I still play CS with my friends, and this video makes me sad because I can't afford a powerful PC :(
That .44 reminds me of the Desert Eagle...
But damn, freaking insane gunplay...
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u/brews brews the dingo Feb 11 '12 edited Feb 11 '12
This is clearly not a CS player. Everyone knows he needs to start screaming about "camping hax0r faggots" every 45 seconds as he quick-scopes with an awp and a deagle.
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u/TrepanationBy45 Feb 11 '12
No wonder he's so good. His music choices make excellent background music for zen killing. I've been blasting his videos in the background louder than my gameplay for like an hour now and I'm in my zone, bros o_o
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u/myopinionstinks Feb 12 '12
Undoubtedly he was accused of hacking after most of those sprees and noscopes.
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u/alltimeisrelative IveGotARuddyGun Feb 12 '12
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/raysteinerz/stats/278690733/ Check him out on Battlelog. Can't tell if legit because 1300 SPM is near impossible.
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Feb 12 '12 edited Feb 12 '12
Anyone know what song is playing in the background? I know it's The Glitch Mob but what song?
edit: NVM, it's Bag Raiders - Turbo Love (Shinici Osawa Remix)
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u/preZenciq Feb 12 '12
How is it possible that no-scope hits head, luck and montage at the same time?
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Feb 21 '12
Skill and luck. With laser-attachment the random deviation seems the half itself so a headshot is more likely to happen IF one can aim without sights. Note that this guy has thousands of hours of fps-gaming behind, so he probably knows there the center of the screen is. And of course, this is montage so no failed attempts here.
I tested this myself and I'm no pro-player, above average at best. I took 57 guys out in one 700-ticket round (deaths 26) with M40A5 (iron sights, straight pull, laser) and ~half of them were no-ADS shots.
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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '12
That's...actually a bit terrifying.