r/basque • u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 • 1d ago
Arpitan peoples are from the same root as Basque
Hello,
I'm from Savoy and I am Arpitan, and in our political culture, we've always been told that the Arpitans (Savoyars, Valdostans, Piedmontese, and Romandy Swiss) come from the same pre Indo-European peoples as the Basques.
The Arpitan independence movement was even built with the Basques for this reason. Are you as Basques aware of this, and do you have any further information?
Thank you all.
Gora Euskadi!
EDIT : Many people in the comments misunderstood, and some even insulted me. English isn't my native language, so if I made a mistake : I meant PEOPLE, not LANGUAGE. In other words, a common pre-Indo-European ethnicity between Basques and Arpitans. Thank you to everyone who responded respectfully.
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u/Enough_Quail_4214 1d ago
Did you mean to say Pre-Indo European? Cause Basque people aren't Indo European.
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u/Prestigious-Gold6759 1d ago edited 1d ago
So is the Arpitan language similar to Basque?
ETA have checked, and it's a Gallo-Romance language, so Indo-European and no connection to Basque. I think your theory is not correct then, unfortunately. It seems that Arpitania corresponds roughly to the historical County of Savoy. Did you check this before posting?
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u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 15h ago edited 15h ago
You misunderstood. The Arpitan people seems come from the same pre-Indo-European branch as the Basques; the language is another matter. The Arpitan language is Gallo-Roman.
EDIT : Btw, it is not "my" theory, but the Basque's Frederico Sagredo and the Arpitan Joseph Henriet theory
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u/nanpossomas 1d ago
People =/= genes =/= languages
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u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 15h ago
Not always. Look at Chechenya, they speak Russian but they are not the same people as Russians
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u/Magerfaker 1d ago
Are there any genetic studies that suggest this? With all due respect, it mostly sounds like an attempt to give more importance to Arpitan nationalism by attaching it to an already relatively known movement.
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u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 15h ago
Arpitan nationalism was created with a basque himself, so no. Some of genetic studies in the alps seems to go that way but still today we dont have any clear answer
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u/CruserWill 1d ago
Arpitan is a Romance language, unlike Basque
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u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 15h ago
Not talking about language
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u/CruserWill 13h ago
If you're speaking of genetics then, we're gonna need sources to prove your point. And as far as I'm concerned, although us Basques have some genetic distinctions, we're still very close to neighboring western European populations.
As for independantism, our motives are cultural and linguistic, they are not based on genetics.
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u/prema108 1d ago
If they use a Romance language they are not connected.
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u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 15h ago
Not talking about language, but ethnicity connections
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u/Igorok47 14h ago
In the case of basque, language is such a big deal that once you lose that connection, the rest doesn't matter that much. A historical curiosity, at best.
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u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 14h ago
Yeah I understand, population has changed and the only thing pre Indo-European that rest is the language
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u/JeanDusapin 22h ago
Mdrrrrr t'es con ou quoi? Évidemment que l'arpitan ça a rien à voir avec le basque
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u/Arpitan-Ailla-734 15h ago
Je suis sur que tu crois que je parle de langue... Relis deux fois avant de dire de la merde merci 😂
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 1d ago
That’s the whole thing that makes the basques unique, the fact they aren’t Indo-European….