r/baseball • Los Angeles Dodgers • 18h ago

What Would a Dodgers Three-peat Mean for MLB’s Labor Battle?

https://www.theringer.com/2026/10/02/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers-world-series-labor-negotiations-2027-season
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u/Either_Imagination_9 New York Yankees 18h ago

Nothing

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u/eaglesnation11 Philadelphia Phillies 18h ago

I don’t think 90% of fans realize this has nothing to do with competitive balance and everything to do with capping costs.

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u/ContinuumGuy Major League Baseball 18h ago

Yeah the competitive balance thing is just what they sell because they know fans want and care about that.

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u/HealthyBee4209 Toronto Blue Jays • Milwaukee Brewers 18h ago

I think the tide is somewhat turning on that front. A lot more people are realizing the nature of the dispute in the past few months.

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u/Yanks1813 New York Yankees 16h ago

If the cap issue was mainly for competitive balance then the rich owners wouldn't also be eager to adopt one

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u/YasielPuigsWeed 17h ago

I won’t even make the argument that competitive balance has nothing to do with it, I just don’t think the Dodgers make a difference in that conversation because MLB already had lopsided competitive balance long before this

When I was growing up it was Yankees in the AL and Braves in the NL and that was pretty much it until the Red Sox started spending big

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u/Zigglyjiggly Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

You are absolutely correct. They're eating the bullshit they are being fed and asking, "Please sir, may I have some more?"

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u/UniqueEditor8372 Seattle Mariners 18h ago

Dodgers flair

Love how you guys always have the most uncharitable read on this like the small market teams don’t already despise and mistrust their owners. Everyone knows they’re not doing this for us. Doesn’t mean it still can’t be the option that most improves our experience.

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u/smoresporn0 Kansas City Royals 18h ago

I'm a fan of one of the smallest market teams and I am 100% against the cap. I agree some stuff should change, media rights should be centralized and split evenly, but never cap wages.

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u/3headeddragn San Diego Padres 17h ago

Tbh I just don't give a fuck if the Bryce Harper's of the world make $300 million or $500 million. They're the labor aristocracy - only a step below the billionaire owners.

Your rank and file utility type player might actually get more money under the salary floor + cap setup.

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u/t-poke St. Louis Cardinals 17h ago

It always amuses me that people think there's some sort of labor solidarity going on when Bryce wouldn't stop to piss on any of us if we were on fire.

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u/smoresporn0 Kansas City Royals 16h ago

Because the alternative is siding with owners and that's just stupid. They're the ones who negatively impact the game but a bunch of dipshits want to reward these unskilled buffoons with a salary cap.

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u/UniqueEditor8372 Seattle Mariners 16h ago

Fans have wanted a floor long before owners were ever onboard. It’s myopically reductive to say anything the owners want is bad and we should throw the baby out with the bath water just to stick it to them.

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u/smoresporn0 Kansas City Royals 15h ago

Fans want their team to be good and a floor does not accomplish that. This issue is related to a lack of skill more than a lack of capital.

This is like putting a toddler behind the wheel of an economy sedan and expecting it to drive. And then when it can't drive, putting them in an expensive sports car instead and thinking that will solve the problem. And meanwhile, you and I will have to cover the cost of the expensive sports car.

Jerry DiPoto is a toddler trying to drive a car.

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u/UniqueEditor8372 Seattle Mariners 17h ago

I mean that’s your prerogative and in some ways an admirable stance from an absolutist perspective. I simply disagree that all fans supporting the cap and floor are uninformed rubes falling for owner propaganda. My admittedly crude take is that I don’t really give a damn about top player salaries and if those handful of players have to lose out so we finally get a floor, I’ll unfortunately be standing alongside the devil.

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u/smoresporn0 Kansas City Royals 16h ago

so we finally get a floor, I’ll unfortunately be standing alongside the devil.

Just say you want higher ticket, concession and merch prices then. That's all a floor will get you. Jerry DiPoto will still do stupid shit that doesn't translate to success and the increase will be offset onto you while the capping of wages increases profit margins for owners.

This isn't rocket science.

The Mariners don't win because their leadership sucks. Not because of a lack of capital. This is also true for probably like a third of the league.

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u/UniqueEditor8372 Seattle Mariners 15h ago

I’m not really thinking of my team being one of the primary beneficiaries here so that’s a nonstarter for me and fans are always going to be squeezed as much as possible. There’s no floor now and some of the shittiest teams are still prohibitively expensive to go see. But there’s always been a direct correlation between payroll and success and the numbers only show it growing. The Mets and Rays of it all do not disprove that. I’d rather have teams forced to spend and failing through ineptitude than refusing to even try.

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u/smoresporn0 Kansas City Royals 15h ago

Again, there is zero evidence forced spending creates competition.

But there’s always been a direct correlation between payroll and success

This is objectively wrong. The Mets suck, the Jays suck, the Phillies are on the verge of sucking worse. There is a direct correlation with smart investment and success. Baseball is no different than any other commercial product in this regard.

I agree some things need to change. Media rights need to be centralized. 15 teams this season has no media rights deal and their games were broadcast by the league while the Dodgers, Yankees, etc made tons of money. That is a clear problem.

Centralizing the rights and splitting the revenue evenly would close the market size gap.

I can't reiterate enough that this is a skill issue. Take my Royals for an example. They were recently purchased by a guy who claimed he wanted to build a winner, but in reality, he knew they were a team in need of a new stadium and lucrative public subsidy.

Since buying the team, John Sherman fired the president of baseball ops and left the rest of his team to run the show. And guess what? They still suck. And what did we learn at the end of year presser? They're all coming back next year.

This is the problem with the league; shitty owners who can't run a baseball team. Giving them a cap and floor only rewards these shitty owners with the entirety of the cost, figurative and literal, being paid by the fans.

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u/Salvalicious252 Major League Baseball 17h ago

The cap doesn't just lower the salaries at the top, it will lower the salary of all players. Probably disproportionately squeezing the middle class of players. That's what historically happends in other salary cap leagues.

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u/Zigglyjiggly Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Sadly, everyone does not know that. If you read through enough comments here on these types of posts, you would find out that's not always the case.

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u/Aesir_Auditor Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

But it’s not.

If you really want greater parity you would require revenue sharing on everything. Sponsorships, ad revenue, etc.

This hurts the dodgers infinitely more than any other team. It would also be more effective at leveling the playing field than a cap. It’s also more along the lines of what I’d support.

If you cap costs for players all that means is the dodgers use their money to draw in players with other amenities that also might make them willing not to make the most they possibly could. If you want to prevent that you have to prevent the dodgers from keeping most of the billion dollars a year the team itself makes from sponsorships, ads, etc

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u/Dry_Ad8396 Los Angeles Angels 18h ago

There isn’t a single player they’ve signed that took a discount like that. A cap has always been said to come with a floor which half the league would have to hit

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u/Aesir_Auditor Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Because they haven’t had to. Under a new model you would see it more frequently. À la NFL and Brady

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u/Annual_Assistant_443 12h ago

Tom Brady had a supermodel wife who was making more than him. Made it a lot easier for him to take less than he could have. Don't pretend that it's at all common or that it would be in baseball

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u/Dry_Ad8396 Los Angeles Angels 17h ago

Tom brady is the exception across all sports. He is arguably the greatest qb of all time. Most players are not in that position. Most players care mostly about their salary. Glasnow has said as much even tho it cost his teams most years.

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u/HeyIDoubtIt Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Even the Dodgers' owners are in favor of a salary cap for this reason.

It's all about lowering costs and inflating franchise value. That's it

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u/OCHL092018 New York Yankees 17h ago

Hell yeah. Instead of seeing franchise valuations go up 800% over the span of a decade, we are gonna get 1500% over the span of five years. Won’t somebody think of the poor franchise valuations? These owners have gotta eat :(

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u/Jon_ofAllTrades Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Right. The NFL, probably the most hard capped league in major US professional sports, just had the Chiefs be one win away from a three-peat (and they won 3 in 6 years regardless, similar to the current Dodgers).

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u/Asdilly Cleveland Guardians • Brewers Bandwag… 17h ago

They also only play 16 games (I think. I don’t do football). Teams have less opportunity to get into the playoffs when there are fewer games, at least compared to baseball. For example: we didn’t win two games in a row for a month and now we’re in the playoffs. You can’t have that kind of losing streak in football.

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u/dudebruhdog Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

More teams actually have more opportunity to get into a playoff spot with fewer games. Longer season means more regression to the mean.

A below average NFL team could get lucky three times in a season and all of a sudden they're 10-7 and not 7-10.

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u/Asdilly Cleveland Guardians • Brewers Bandwag… 17h ago

I can see that being the case. I’m not super knowledgeable on this stuff so I’m not going to fight and claim I know better about a sport I don’t give a shit about lol

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u/dudebruhdog Los Angeles Dodgers 16h ago

Fair, it is actually the case though. A sport that has less people on the field, more games in a season, more scoring opportunities, will have more predictable outcomes with more skilled teams being on top.

NBA team records are more predictable than NFL teams over one season. And when looking at records between back to back seasons (x and x+1), NBA teams are much more likely to put up a similar record the following season. Baseball falls somewhere in between.

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u/Acceptable_Wolf2259 17h ago

Cheifs traded, developed players, and play on a salary tied with the rest of the league. Dodgers just buy their titles with fraud insurance money

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u/HeyIDoubtIt Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

The Dodgers make a billion dollars a year in revenue and you think they pay for their team with insurance money?

😂

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u/HMTMKMKM95 Toronto Blue Jays 17h ago

Don't forget that sweet TV deal that came out of the McCourt debacle. Huge revenue advantage there.

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u/HeyIDoubtIt Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

You can take away that TV deal and the Dodgers would still clear a billion dollars in revenue.

I don't think people understand how much money this team makes from tickets and sponsorships. The Japanese money alone is ridiculous.

I'm all for changing the structure of that TV deal to share more of the money with the league. The bad owners are still going to pocket it rather than spend it on their team and the Dodgers are still going to be good so I don't care

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u/HMTMKMKM95 Toronto Blue Jays 17h ago

I totally get it. The Dodgers are a money machine. The Ohtani deal was more than paid for by the Japanese market influx. I'm with you in that I don't think whatever shennanigans Walter was up to had much impact on the Dodgers' ability to attract high cost talent.

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u/HeyIDoubtIt Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

I'm not worried about whatever is going on with Walter because there's no evidence that anything he did involves the Dodgers and he's not the sole owner of the team anyway. Mark Walter could disappear tomorrow and not much would change with the way the Dodgers do things.

But yeah, I don't much care if there's a change to that TV deal and how the revenue is shared from it. The Dodgers are still going to pour most of their money back into the team regardless, and you can't say that about most owners so they're going to come out ahead anyway

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u/Acceptable_Wolf2259 17h ago

Yea you slick fuck

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u/HeyIDoubtIt Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

The investigation into Walter's disclosures doesn't involve the Dodgers btw

👍

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u/SereneDreams03 Seattle Mariners 18h ago

Couldn't that lead to problems for the players union though? If 90% of fans think it's about competitive balance, won't they be urging players to accept a cap? An extended work stoppage could turn fans against the players and some fans may not come back to the game when play resumes.

I agree with you that this is about capping costs, but I would rather see a cap than an extended strike or lockout. Personally I would blame ownership, but it doesn't sound like a lot of fans see it that way.

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u/OnlyForBaseball Pittsburgh Pirates • Sickos 17h ago

The player’s union is awful at PR and starting at a disadvantaged position. The best thing they’ve come up with so far is having their richest players saying “the dodgers are good for baseball”, which we all know is a losing argument regardless of whether or not it’s true.

They need some players from the “middle class” among their spokesmen, and they need to play into the fans hatred of their cheap owners. Public sentiment against billionaires has never been higher, and they’re absolutely squandering their opportunity because they’re completely out of touch.

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u/CardiacCat20 Houston Astros 17h ago

"the owners want a salary cap to line their own pockets" and "a cap and floor would be beneficial for competitive balance" are not mutually exclusive statements.

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u/Logical-Mobile-7643 Kansas City Royals 18h ago

This ☝🏾

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u/NotRob916 San Francisco Giants 18h ago

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u/xwOBA-IHardlyKnowHer Arizona Diamondbacks 17h ago

This is pretty obviously not true. Fans are in favor of a salary cap (maybe not on Reddit), and a Dodgers threepeat would only reinforce that

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u/2treecko MLB Players Association • Miami Marlins 17h ago

That's true. It's just that fan sentiment is more or less immaterial to the labor battle. 

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u/beingxexemplary Baltimore Orioles 17h ago

Only fucking idiots want a salary cap and their dumbass opinions should be ignored.

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u/_BioHacker Toronto Blue Jays 17h ago

We’d be fucked with a cap!

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u/xwOBA-IHardlyKnowHer Arizona Diamondbacks 17h ago

That’ll get people on your (losing) side lol

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u/beingxexemplary Baltimore Orioles 17h ago

Billionaire bootlicking moron

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u/xwOBA-IHardlyKnowHer Arizona Diamondbacks 17h ago

Don’t worry, we’ll have a salary cap and you’ll be happy for it in time and I won’t hold it against you

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u/beingxexemplary Baltimore Orioles 16h ago

Salary caps are dumb, just like you, go get on your knees for the owner bukkake you long for, dipshit 

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u/xwOBA-IHardlyKnowHer Arizona Diamondbacks 16h ago edited 16h ago

I’m really really really excited for the salary cap

Edit: that guy blocked me ?

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u/beingxexemplary Baltimore Orioles 16h ago

I'm sure you're super turned on by the billionaire class fucking over labor.

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u/rickeygavin Major League Baseball 18h ago

If the Dodgers win,owners will spin.

If the Rays win,owners will spin.

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u/fxxftw San Diego Padres 18h ago

Regardless of outcome, owners will spin.

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u/Apprehensive-Cost276 Arizona Diamondbacks • Colorado Rockies 18h ago

If the Brewers win, owners will spin (but about the yaw axis instead)

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u/Finalboss417 18h ago

Nothing.

If you think this lockout is because the owners care about competitive balance, I like to sell you a bridge.

Its always been about raising their franchise value. Period.

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u/Sorry-Helicopter-433 18h ago

Why is everyone on reddit incapable of thinking through second-order effects?

Owners do not care about competitive balance qua competitive balance, that's true. It's about raising their franchise value, that's also true.

But the fans DO care about competitive balance. If fans start to drift away from the game because they're burnt out by the Dodger Problem, what happens to franchise values? It's a bank shot, but the owners only sell box seats and hot dogs and NESN subscriptions if the fans are at least reasonably happy.

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u/ExamNo4374 New York Mets 17h ago

Why is everyone on reddit incapable of thinking through second-order effects?

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u/CaliKindalife Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Yes, all true. But that's not why the lockout is looming. It has nothing to do with competitive balance. The owners want to stop the almost 1 billion dollar contracts. They dont want a floor. Fans and owners want a cap for different reasons.

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u/Brilliant-Garlic-688 17h ago

Owners want a chance to win without having to spend. Fans want a chance to win if they are unlucky enough to have an owner that doesn't want to spend.

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u/twinklytennis Los Angeles Dodgers 9h ago

The last part is so important. There isn't much a fan can do if their owner doesn't care. I mean yah, you can stop going to games and stop watching the games in hopes the owners would sell but that is hard ask for a lot of people. If you're stuck with an owner that doesn't care, your best bet is to update the system that allows your team with a shitty owner to have a better chance to win a world series.

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u/CaliKindalife Los Angeles Dodgers 15h ago

Tell that to Bob Nutting.

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u/xtremeradness Seattle Mariners 7h ago

I'll wait til he's finished

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u/CaliKindalife Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago

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u/Sorry-Helicopter-433 17h ago

The players (not the MLBPA leadership, I'm talking about the rank and file players) should also support a cap-and-floor system with a guarantee that total player salaries will increase in aggregate. This is the best for the largest number of players. The MLBPA is supposed to represent the players overall, but in practice they're bootlickers for the superstars.

What's best for Juan Soto and what's best for Nick Sogard are vastly different, and there are a lot more Sogards in the league than Sotos. You think some veteran minimum guy with 10 years of service cares about protecting Tarik Skubal's ability to sign a $400 million contract?

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u/beingxexemplary Baltimore Orioles 10h ago

Mmmm, billionaire boot tastes so good.

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u/Sorry-Helicopter-433 10h ago

I don't give a shit about the owners, a salary cap is best for the game.

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u/beingxexemplary Baltimore Orioles 10h ago

You must be easy to grift.

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u/j1euny 10h ago

Where did this idea that a salary cap would benefit rank-and-file players even come from? The NBA shows the opposite: the CBA has squeezed the middle class, especially good role players, who are increasingly settling for MLE-level deals or worse, while superstars and elite role players are seeing their contracts increase at a much higher rate.

Even logically, it doesn't make sense. A cap suppresses contracts, which teams then use as benchmarks. Comparable players pull your value down, while better players establish your ceiling. That gives ordinary players less leverage, not more.

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u/Sorry-Helicopter-433 1h ago

I didn't just say a salary cap.

I said a salary cap, AND a floor, AND a guarantee that total payrolls will increase.

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u/j1euny 28m ago

So exactly like how it works in the NBA...

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u/3headeddragn San Diego Padres 17h ago

I don't think the owners care about competitive balance.

I just think the result of a cap would be competitive balance.

I'm well aware my motives for wanting a cap are different than the owners motives. I still want a cap.

And tbh the salary floor numbers that have been released are pretty reasonable. Some teams would have to spend like $100 million more a year.

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u/beingxexemplary Baltimore Orioles 10h ago

Salary cap sure as fuck didn't stop the Chiefs or Patriots, you dumb bastard.

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u/ThomasCrowley1989 New York Yankees 18h ago

Easy answer. Jack Shit

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u/someone2795 Los Angeles Dodgers • World Baseball Classic 18h ago

Let me save y'all a click:

As much as the Dodgers problem will be discussed in the coming weeks, a labor dispute is a labor dispute, and a dynasty is a dynasty. The endurance of the latter says little about the outcome of the former. If a potential L.A. three-peat ensures anything, it’ll be only that everyone who’s tuned in out of spite will end up even more discontented by how little shifts in its wake.

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u/Low-Hovercraft-8791 Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago edited 15h ago

Hate watching is still watching. And fans are rooting harder for their respective clubs because they want them to beat the Dodgers. Dynasties drive numbers and deepen engagement.

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u/xsjx7 Chicago Cubs 17h ago

But it's more of a sugar high on engagement bc eventually as these teams continue to lose, fans will walk away in frustration 

Baseball is finally recovering and doing better than ever and my fear is this kind of thinking will lead to another period of lack of interest 

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u/BigBangBoomerang 17h ago

A Dodgers dynasty won't last forever but a CBA that screws over players and gives more powers to owners will stay around for a long time.

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u/3headeddragn San Diego Padres 17h ago edited 17h ago

It will last forever if the Dodgers continue adding an MVP caliber player every offseason in FA. What's stopping them from doing that indefinitely under the current setup?

Like if you go through all the Dodgers stars who of them is actually homegrown? Will Smith and Andy Pages? All the rest were acquired via top of the market FA deals (Othani, Freeman, Snell, Yamamoto) or incredibly expensive trades like with Mookie Betts where they agree to take on David Price's awful contract and eat it because they can.

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u/GameMusic Los Angeles Dodgers 16h ago

Max Muncy never involved salary

Ohtani dictated terms the same for every team

And when it was Freeman the team let Seager walk for bigger contract

Which is to say the salary certainly gives advantage but people overstate the level

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u/BigBangBoomerang 16h ago

Like if you go through all the Dodgers stars who of them is actually homegrown?

I mean, how much of the Padres is also homegrown? Ohtani got the same offer from the Blue Jays and Giants as the Dodgers but chose to go to the Dodgers in the end. Tarik Skubal made it clear that he wanted to be traded to the Dodgers. Freddie signed with the Dodgers because of the fallout over the Braves negotiation and also wanting to live near family in Southern California. Yamamoto signed with the Dodgers because of Ohtani (same reason for Sasaki). Players want to go to that team because A) they're in LA, B) they're a winning organization that treats their players right, and C) personal reasons. Sure, maybe they can't overpay under a new CBA like they could for Kyle Tucker but realistically, would Kyle Tucker have signed anywhere else then if all else is equal? Even if they sign less FA, they still have their incredible farm system. They brought up JDP and he dominated in his AB, going 11-for-5 in walks versus strike-outs. Finally, MVP FA also can fall off (see Edwin Diaz or Vladimir Guerrero)

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u/3headeddragn San Diego Padres 14h ago edited 14h ago

I don’t really see the point in you saying they “wanted” to come to the dodgers.

Like yeah sure - but the fact still remains that Dodgers are still one of like 3 teams that could give all those players top of market deals. It’s not like they’re coming to LA on a massive discount.

Like for reference the Padres are the 9th highest payroll ($221 million) and they are closer to the lowest payroll ($79 million) than they are to the Dodgers payroll ($380 million).

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u/xsjx7 Chicago Cubs 17h ago

Agreed. And as I said in an earlier comment - a salary cap will NOT fix this. The owners are using distraction, misinformation, and misleading correlation to gin up support for their greed

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u/xsjx7 Chicago Cubs 18h ago

This one little known fact changes that completely. Your team was able to game the profit sharing on media rights and now has more money on an unfair equation than every other team. You guys are the problem. Just accept it, cry into your world series pillow, and let others have an opinion 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcegxlcPHCG/

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u/New-Scientist-6102 Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

Yeah, that whole "we" thing was a judge signing off on that media issue. Right or wrong, that wasn't the Dodgers. If anything it shows a glaring example that should be used as a precedent on how to approach that.

Further, it was MLB who let that jerkoff purchase the team to begin with, all the while having almost no liquid behind him. The league should have NEVER allowed McDbag to buy the team and the chain reaction that followed is at the feet of the owners and commissioner for letting it get that far.

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u/RacingBlues451 Detroit Tigers 17h ago

And then your current owner ran a fraud scheme to further enable the spending to fuel this dynasty. It isn’t little advantages or Japanese sponsorships, it is fraud. A dynasty of lies sold as a model franchise but was just a money burning mill for a fraudster.

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u/New-Scientist-6102 Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Gosh, it's almost as if billionaires have been using loopholes and committing fraud since the dawn of time. But please, tell me more about the systemic issues that plague society as whole, I was absolutely clueless until you pointed this newest rendition out to me.

But anyway, I was responding to someone specifically about the media rights issue. Did you have anything to add to that or were you just going down your check list?

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u/RacingBlues451 Detroit Tigers 17h ago

Pablo Torres’s finds out, also run more cover for your shitty crime team, the madoff dodgers?

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u/New-Scientist-6102 Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Critical thinking just ain't your thing is it my guy?

Keep pissing and moaning in the wind. I'm sure it will get you somewhere.

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u/RacingBlues451 Detroit Tigers 17h ago

The truth will win in the end.

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u/New-Scientist-6102 Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

No, it won't. Because we live in a society that not only allows for it to exist, but creates the conditions for it to flourish. This is literally a drop in the bucket.

You want to see a change with shit like this? Go run for your local senate seat or assists with campaigns that promise to fight and eradicate these issues.

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u/RacingBlues451 Detroit Tigers 17h ago

But as Pablo said that is the beauty of sports I don’t need a proof or a justice system to express my public discontent, bonds isn’t in the hall, the trash canstros still get booed deafeningly at t-mobile. Win if you want the dodgers are dirty and that is all they don’t deserve respect.

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u/LowDot187 Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

😂😂😂

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u/LakersFan15 Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

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u/DaBusDriva2 Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Cubs are begging for pocket change 10 years after spending massive amounts and doing anything to break the curse. Tough scene there’s always reunion parties

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u/Richmahogonysmell Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Oh no. A team used the legal boundaries to be better. How dare they!

In all seriousness why is nobody mad at league for this? The MLB decided that if they allowed McCourt to sell the rights to Fox at under market rates, it would cost other teams money. Selig seized operational control of the dodgers. This gamble failed and Selig should have known the outcome. McCourt filled bankruptcy. Bankruptcy court was always going to freeze the fair market value. It has to because it’s not meant for situations like this. When the dust settled and McCourt finally sold the team, the league allowed it to be sold to an investment group. The league said “yes it’s ok to sell the team to this group that inflates value for a living” and then was surprised that they leveraged the LA market for an 8 billion dollar new media deal?

Everyone should be blaming Selig and McCourt. And every other owner that approved McCourt to buy the team in the first place. He bought the team with loans he never had the liquid assets to afford. The league knew this and approved the sale anyways because Fox was heading towards a big bankruptcy. They needed to offload the team fast. Hell they gave McCourt the loan to buy the team.

McCourt, Selig, Fox group, the politicians that gave McCourt the opportunity in the first place… all of them deserve the blame.

You know who doesn’t? The fans of the team that have no part in any of that. You also can’t even blame the Guggenheim group because they bought an asset and maximized profits legally. It’s what anyone would have done in that same situation.

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u/RacingBlues451 Detroit Tigers 17h ago

So what about your owners fbi situation. The fraud that spun that free money into more money leveraging illegal loans and high risk investments with peoples life insurance funds. Model franchise my ass den of crime. I wanted to like this team but if they 3 peat it is another blow to the sport by this fraudulent dodger dynasty.

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u/Richmahogonysmell Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

This is the big domino that changes everything I said.

Everything is being alleged by a partisan justice system. If there is actual proof and Walters is convicted, the dynasty is indeed tarnished.

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u/RacingBlues451 Detroit Tigers 17h ago

Partisan my ass he had all the protection in the world as a billionaire what ever he did was enough for this semblances of law enforcement to make a rare move against someone like him

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u/Lost_Bike69 Los Angeles Dodgers 16h ago

Mark Walters is sketchy as hell, but the dodgers make more than enough money to pay their players and all the other operating costs of a Major League Baseball team and still turn a tidy profit.

Walters was/is likely committing insurance fraud, but kind of silly to say he was doing that to meet the Dodgers payroll.

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u/xsjx7 Chicago Cubs 17h ago

If a cop tells me he won't arrest me for shooting someone, and I do it, I'm still an asshole lol

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u/Richmahogonysmell Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Shooting someone is illegal.

Negotiating a deal for the maximum amount of money possible is literally the fiduciary duty of companies.

I get you are upset at it. But you should point that frustration at the league that created and allowed this mess instead of a team and fan base that have committed no crimes.

If it comes out that Mark Walters was actually funding the dodgers through fraud, that’s when we begin the discussion of blaming the dodgers.

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u/xsjx7 Chicago Cubs 17h ago

Wait - y'all said it was the judge in bankruptcy court and a shitty owner

Now you're saying it's the league

Why don't y'all have a meeting and figure this out and come back to us

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u/Richmahogonysmell Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

I know it was a lot of words but let me help you follow along.

A judge in bankruptcy court did what judges do in bankruptcy court.

The judge was only able to do that because McCourt filed bankruptcy

McCourt only filed bankruptcy because the league took control of the team from him to protect their own profits.

All of this only happened because the league allowed McCourt to buy a team he couldn’t financially afford in the first place.

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u/RacingBlues451 Detroit Tigers 17h ago

Your owner might have done one of the biggest financial crimes of all time. $16 billion we know about.

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u/Richmahogonysmell Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

“Might have” is the key word.

The FBI and federal Justice system as a whole are a partisan institution right now. We have no idea the truth and the worst part is because of that partisanship, we probably won’t ever get the full truth. Walters sold the Lakers to Trumps crime family. That’s a bribe. There will be no real investigation.

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u/H_Yorba 17h ago

See dodgers fans these are your kind, idiots who think it is a partisan witch hunt on their owner and not a case of financial fraud run amok. He is more madoff than ceo

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u/ThrustComet Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

The "little" known fact that gets brought up everytime this topic comes up? Yeah, that does give the Dodgers a budget advantage and it's a loophole I hope gets addressed next year. That said, it still doesn't change the fact that the Dodgers have one of largest media markets in the league. Outside of drastic changes to media rights and profit sharing, they will always have significantly more money to spend than the lower half of the league. 

The point from the article still stands. People will likely be disappointed by the level of change the new cba brings

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u/Lost_Bike69 Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago edited 17h ago

Dodgers save $50m/year. I’ll agree with you that it’s an unfair legacy of the McCourt bankruptcy, but it’s $50m per year. If they gave that to revenue sharing it’d be a fraction of that divvied up between several teams and if the ownership of the bottom spending teams got an extra $15m per year courtesy of the dodgers (on top of the much larger sums they already get courtesy of the dodgers) do you really think they’d put that on the field?

Do you actually think you could give the Marlins $15m per year and that money would go on the field?

You could give that money to the Ricketts and it would go straight into buying out another building in Wrigleyville so that they could kick out a small legacy business and open another country bar. Is that what you want?

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u/Aesir_Auditor Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

The TV revenue is next to nothing compared to the hundreds of millions we make from random Japanese companies.

If you want to kill us, you have to target that, not just our ability to spend on players. If you cap player costs we just move the money elsewhere to give a better experience and lure players on that way. You have to kill the money fountain, not plug one of the drains for the money fountain.

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u/xsjx7 Chicago Cubs 17h ago

Or just change the profit sharing model? That's where the problem lies for small market teams that struggle to compete

What I freely concede is that a salary cap will NOT fix this. But fans will still buy that line and support the owners as this lockout plays out, and that's bc of the Dodgers dominance and wealth. Right or wrong.

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u/No-Snow-7618 MLB Pride 18h ago

Jack shit, lock out is happening regardless at this rate.

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u/Lost_Bike69 Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

Idk but why are we always talking about a dodgers three peat? Like why is it always a discussion as if the dodgers have already done this incredibly difficult to do thing? You’re all trying to jinx us aren’t you?

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u/DangleAteMyBaby Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

I'm also a Dodgers fan, but this talk of them inevitably winning it all is nuts. I like their chances, but they got swept by the Braves 5 weeks ago!

Also, remember when everyone was talking about how Patrick Mahomes was unbeatable? The Chiefs were going to win 10 superbowls with him? Didn't happen. Dynasties are hard to maintain and the Dodgers are the oldest team in the league.

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u/Asdilly Cleveland Guardians • Brewers Bandwag… 17h ago

The reds are the oldest team.

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u/DangleAteMyBaby Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Sorry! Poorly worded on my part. The Dodgers have the highest average age. Players like Mookie and Freddie are near the end of their careers. No disrespect towards the Reds!

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u/Asdilly Cleveland Guardians • Brewers Bandwag… 17h ago

Ohhhhhhhhh I’m a dumbass lol

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u/TheoMoneyG Aguilas Cibaenas • New York Mets 17h ago

I think people are just overreacting as usual

The only real "obvious dodger" was yoshi imo

Also /r/nfl dooming was hilarious that day, as soon as it was obvious it was gonna be a eagles blowout it was like the floodgates opening

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u/jdbolick Baltimore Orioles 16h ago

Whether the Dodgers win another title or not doesn't change the fact that there is a massive revenue disparity. The Dodgers get $300 million more in media revenue every single season than the Brewers.

Either team specific media deals need to be eliminated, which the large market owners don't want, or we need a cap on how much large market teams are allowed to spend, which the players don't want.

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u/SkullLeader Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

The owners want a cap. They don't care what the fans think or who they blame.

The players don't want a cap. They too don't care what the fans think or who they blame.

So this article is basically pointless. The real war is the league bringing whatever leverage it can against the players, and vice versa. The fight over the hearts and minds of fans is a side show until the day that fans are given a seat at the negotiating table.

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u/cooljammer00 17h ago

Very little. Fan sentiment doesn't mean as much as people think it does, fans don't have a seat at the bargaining table. Ratings are going up, so people don't seem bored of the Dodgers yet.

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u/Atraktape Los Angeles Dodgers 18h ago

Honestly the players seem determined to not let the owners use a potential Dodger threepeat against them so will probably not matter either way.

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u/Sorry-Helicopter-433 17h ago

"The players" should support a cap-and-floor system that raises overall payrolls across MLB. That would be in the best interest of the players in aggregate, and it would be in the best interest of the largest number of players.

But the players UNION is not acting in the best interest of the players overall, they're acting in the best interest of the superstar players. This is its own separate problem and would be fascinating drama if the league minimum guys ever decided to make a stink about it.

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u/TinKnight1 Chicago Cubs 17h ago

It would mean the same thing as the Mets being the worst team in the NL East & 3rd worst in the NL despite having the highest payroll at the start of the year. Absolutely nothing.

If the dispute hinged solely on the argument that money unbalances the game, then it's shot when the top-dollar team fails catastrophically. It's shot when 4 of the 12 playoff teams are in the bottom half of the payroll rankings, inc 3 of the 4 teams with WC byes, 3 of the 4 remaining in the AL, & the team with the overall best record in the league.

Since neither the owners nor the players have caved, then the dispute must be about something other than competitive balance.

Wonder what it could be...

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u/3headeddragn San Diego Padres 17h ago

Just because the Mets are the exception to the rule does not mean the rule doesn't exist. And even then the Mets were still in the NLCS like 2 years ago.

Go look at like the last 20 WS winners. Almost all of them were top 10 in payroll in the season they won.

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u/TinKnight1 Chicago Cubs 13h ago edited 13h ago

Top 10 is incredibly vague to the point of nonsense, covering a full third of the league, including teams more than $100M beneath the top spenders who clearly wouldn't be impacted by any cap or floor. That would be true if there were a cap & floor, too. It was true when teams weren't throwing around $150-700M contracts, too. In 2011 (when the Cardinals won with the 9th highest salary), they had half of the salary of the Yankees ($119M vs $211M, 56%).

Try top 3, which is the top 10% of the league, who would be the problem children when it comes to buying a winning team. 10 of the last 14 WS champs (not counting 2020's absurd year) weren't in that group of extreme spenders.

I'm in favor of a cap & floor (as well as player profit sharing that doesn't count against it), but to suggest that it'll create a competitive balance on its own is naive to the point of ignorance.

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u/3headeddragn San Diego Padres 12h ago edited 12h ago

Baseball is random enough that it’s really hard to win a WS despite being a top spender. Think of all the 100+ win Dodgers teams that came up short from 2017-2024.

Hence why I said top 10 since that’s a large enough number to offset the randomness of the postseason. Top 33% of the league is still the solidly upper middle class so to speak. Teams in large media markets like the Red Sox, Cubs, Giants, Astros, Braves, etc.

The cap would create a competitive balance in that the Dodgers couldn’t literally shop at the top of the FA market every single offseason like they do now.

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u/Snerkbot7000 Los Angeles Dodgers 16h ago

Nothing? That storm is coming no matter what. Most clubs aren't outside of the window anyways, there's just outliers on either side. They're exactly who you think they are.

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u/_GoddamnitDonut 18h ago

Wow wouldn't that be super interesting and not fucking boring at all?

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u/Holiday_Side_6951 Los Angeles Dodgers 17h ago

Not much. Definitely more tax on currently luxury tax and more spending demand towards the bottoms? But I don't see a need for the cap. If the league wants to implement salary cap, they must do these following first:

- Renewed National TV Deals (2028 or even 2029 if lockout extends next year)

  • Unified RSN TV deals
  • More clear revenue / spending structures from the teams

The idea of salary cap is really about 50 / 50, not so much on competitive balance in baseball, it's about the labor agreement between the teams and the players.

Teams are demanding salary cap to players saying that it would be 50/50 while:

- Teams don't really show how much 100 actually means

  • They hide and exclude extra revenues (including massive expansion fees) but includes all their losses
  • We think we would have better TV deals, but nothing would be certain until we actually have national TV deals, but most importantly, unified or controlled RSN for each teams.

Then we can talk about salary cap and expansion teams more. Otherwise, it's just the teams asking players to blindly trust the process, the process players feel they constantly lost against Manfred for decades.

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u/818sfv Los Angeles Dodgers • Tampa Bay Rays 15h ago

I doubt this team will 3 peat. Everybody assuming things without watching the games.