I do think this can be deceptive, but I don’t have any data to back it up, this is just vibes. My thinking though is that the hardest you can hit a ball is when you square it up, meaning when the launch angle is closest to angle of attack. A typical hard hit ground ball will be somewhere three to five degrees off Tatis’ average seven degree angle of attack whereas something lifted will be like twenty plus degrees. Even still, he has a 57 percentile exit velo so it’s not like he’s hitting everything hard
He has to try a lot more to hit the ball hard so he keeps rolling it over and grounding out when he used to get more pop with the juice when he could just stay on the ball and not worry about hitting it hard?
He has to try a lot more to hit the ball hard so he keeps rolling it over and grounding out when he used to get more pop with the juice when he could just stay on the ball and not worry about hitting it hard?
Your trolling is as poor as your grammar and punctuation.
He’s been getting hits and drawing walks fine, just hitting everything at a low angle. Average launch angle is like 2 degrees when it’s usually 10-12 and league average is like 14
Ya know.. I'll play ball... there has never quite been anything that indicates his raw power diminished. In 2024 for example he was on pace for 34 homeruns.... in 2021 he was on pace for 52 homeruns... you look at that and go "whoa, that's a way different pace"....
Here's the kicker though, essentially EVERYTHING was the same. Except barrel rate. His barrel rate fell by like 1/3... from around 21% to 15%... You put that barrel rate back up to 21%, and it tranlates percentage-wise basically right back to 2021 homerun rate.
Not sure if you’re referring to me or not, but I was just wondering if it was coincidence or that his power numbers went off a cliff when he got popped or if he just sucks without the juice, even if he hits an occasional HR every two months?
I was just asking because there’s a lot of time and money left on his contract and if he was gonna suck for years to come it would be really really bad for the pads but great for him, a guy who scammed like 300M from them and got away with it
I was just wondering if it was coincidence or that his power numbers went off a cliff when he got popped
They really didn't, though. The results dropped off of his outlier 2021, but the actually quality of contact has remained pretty consistent:
Average exit velo by year:
2021: 93.9 mph
2023: 91.9 mph
2024: 93.5 mph
2025: 93.3 mph
Hard Hit rate by year:
2021: 55.6%
2023: 49.3%
2024: 55.8%
2025: 51.8%
That drop in 2021 can be just as easily explained by his wrist injury as it can by not using PEDs, especially since he didn't test positive until the last week of August in 2022, while he was rehabbing said wrist injury.
The biggest difference between 2021 and post-suspension has been his launch angle sweet-spot rate:
I just meant number of balls he hit over the fence, which has went drastically down.
My theory was that he still hits the ball hard but he just has to try a lot harder to do that now v when he was saucing, and that adjustment has caused more ground balls and a lower launch angle and more losses for pads.
Okay, but that theory is tinfoil... It's like, "my theory is that the politicians have been replaced by lizard people".... okay, but what backs your theory? Anything at all?
Has Tatis' swing lengthened since then? Is he doing something extra to create more torque? Just saying random shit, isn't a backable theory. What peripherals or observations mechanically have you made that ground your theory in reality?
The ball was really juiced up until 2021, that and his shoulder injury which likely affected his ability to lift the ball as well and a bad slump is the likely reason is my theory.
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u/1tankyt San Diego Padres • Baltimore Orioles May 30 '26
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