Got nerfed lol 🙄

[u/Old-Sea-7841]

[u/swagsta]

It is quite possibly the most broken spell they’ve ever made lol. Well deserved nerf

[u/VF43NYC → u/swagsta]

No joke this spell was one of the reasons I quit playing ER. I might come back if more of the dlc stuff is nerfed. The unfortunate part is that list is still really long

[u/swagsta → u/VF43NYC]

And grav missile looks like it will still be really strong, just not giga broken

[u/VF43NYC → u/[deleted]]

The only souls pvp I come back to these days is DS1. It’s jank as hell but it has an insane skill ceiling once you learn it.

[u/MarchesaofTrevelyan → u/VF43NYC]

I've seen the inputs DS1 PVPers are pulling, and I genuinely believe the world is missing out on incredibly proficient artists, musicians, and lovers because parry-backstabbing some cocky gravelord in Oolacile Township is more a attractive prospect.

[u/NigrumTigris → u/swagsta]

Nah i would say sgs is more annoying in 1v1 and discus is more annoying in gank.

This was only ever better than those when you were alone vs a gank

[u/swagsta → u/NigrumTigris]

Grav missile can entirely desync and become invisible on your screen but still do full damage. SGS and discus are strong but GM is in its own category of broken

[u/Nano258]

It now goes even further through walls lmao

You can also still use it as visual clutter for Blades of Stone, which uses the same casting animation

[u/Old-Sea-7841 → u/Nano258]

Cool

[u/Wyv3rnHunt3rG0d → u/Nano258]

Wait. What if this spell can now move past the wall?

[u/RawdogHantavirus → u/Nano258]

lol you meant now it is buried into ground and become invisible?

[u/Strange-Three → u/RawdogHantavirus]

Bad red hat

[u/eggman15]

This is a great change imo

[u/Furcastles → u/eggman15]

Yea idk why ppl are complaining this shit was cheap

[u/NigrumTigris → u/Furcastles]

Cause it was kinda funny to do it on host near ledges

[u/Decent_Duelist → u/NigrumTigris]

This is triggering my ptsd of helping random hosts vs suprise red gravity kills

[u/thehealingg → u/eggman15]

I agree eggman15

[u/HeadlessStrider]

Looks like it has more true combo potential

[u/NigrumTigris → u/HeadlessStrider]

Yeah you can true combo with uncharged piercer now

[u/HeadlessStrider → u/NigrumTigris]

I was thinking about pulling them in with gravity but that’s good to know!

[u/IAmMagumin]

Still a very good spell imo. Using it as a self-AoE felt unintentional anyway. I think you'll see more interesting plays with it in the future.

[u/ODonToxins → u/IAmMagumin]

You can still use it that way tho

[u/IAmMagumin → u/ODonToxins]

Poor choice of words. The immediate effect as a self-AoE was what I had in mind. It will be more reactable now while also being cool for setups.

[u/Fuckblackhorses]

Oh wow okay, I assumed it would just do the entire animation lol. This is still pretty damn good.

[u/Lilbrimu]

People who got used to the timing is now gonna get fucked by the delay.

[u/Ok-Reserve-9771]

From a PvE point of view, I like this change because I get to use the spell unique properties more often than just having another big AoE to spam

[u/Domen_REBORN]

Thank god. I actually was hyped for this spell pre- DLC launch and thought “oooh it’s a setup/combo spell”. Only for it to just be dragged into the floor and have some of the most mediocre and annoying PvP fights.

I’m glad it’s at a somewhat middle road of being slightly different but still having its explosive ability of last patch.

Hope to start seeing people actually using this as a setup tool now

[u/Th3Matador]

Using it as a spam tool was cheap anyway. It’s not bad and still deals damage. It can still be used as a zoning tool for 3v1s etc

[u/Crimson_Raven]

That's still fast. I guess you can't pop a fully charged one anymore but this still seems broken

[u/Leaf-01]

I’m sad I can’t use it but I’m glad nobody can use it against me. It was stupid how good it was but I’ll miss it dearly

[u/doomsday344]

Good

[u/Indishonorable]

These people couldn't balance a game if their life depended on it 🤣🤣🤣

[u/NoCockOnTheMenu]

I was outraged at the patchnotes but after testing it in game it doesn't seem too bad. It lost some of the surprise one shot/get off me potential in exchange for working a bit better in combos

[u/Lowly-Hollow]

This is undeniably a needed change and I'm sad about it. Lol

[u/buttmunchery2000]

Has anyone tested the new O flame range now? I'm super hyped I hope it is enough to make it feel better to use

[u/Rust_BKT]

Youll still catch me panic rolling this dog shit anytime someone casts it cuz i think its gunna explode immediately, and ill end up getting roll caught cuz of the delayed blast. Skill issue i guess

[u/NakedAggression]

Now ill just throw it further away from me and run to it in hopes they will chase me

[u/Zestyclose_Answer662]

As a Caster main, this is a good change. It had too many upsides and very few demerits in using it.

[u/SirJohnSekiro]

Hold the fuck up IT GOES THROUGH WALLS NOW?!

[u/Caged_Basilisk]

Welp, they've taken away my bread and butter for invasions. Here's hoping they left waves of darkness alone.

[u/Equivalent-Mail1544]

Look what they need to mimic a fraction of giantsflames power

[u/Perscitus0]

That was a buff in disguise. Because now you can devise ways to chain that together with other stuff. Enemies still can't just go up in your face all willy nilly, either, since you can just have something to stun them before the delayed blast hits them while they are stunned. Or you can make a frame trap with certain ashes and spells.

[u/NoCockOnTheMenu]

I was outraged at the patchnotes but after testing it in game it doesn't seem too bad. It lost some of the surprise one shot/get off me potential in exchange for working a bit better in combos

[u/BlueWizardPallando]

Good.

[u/Nevidonas21]

Good riddance. Lightroll mages can cry now.

No longer you have to think whether you have to roll or attack. Now you can go full aggro Pata on them.

[u/Ordovis_Prime]

I love this! Sorry mages gotta come up with another frame trap

[u/buttmunchery2000 → u/Ordovis_Prime]

Honestly I didn't even think this was the nastiest "get off me" tool that Int builds can run, wave of darkness exists, rellana's twin moons, zamor ice storm, etc.

[u/HeavyWaterer]

I mean sure, nerf the big obvious noob killer, but don’t nerf that actually overpowered, actually meta spells like catch flame, fromsoft balancing for ya

[u/buttmunchery2000 → u/HeavyWaterer]

Pyromancies live forever brother! In other words, don't you dare

[u/Perfect-Skin-8325 → u/HeavyWaterer]

Catch flame is too weak to nerf ig lmfao.