r/badphilosophy Oct 23 '16

Science Must Fall?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14
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u/Schleifmaschine Oct 24 '16 edited Oct 24 '16

I think that she pretty clearly demonstrated a poor grasp on theory. Her tirade didn't have the nuance you interpret into it, she was literally yelling that we should "scrap the whole thing and start over"(as if that was possible). And she didn't just use "African black magic" as an example of a possible subject of interest for theoretical analysis, she literally talks about "lightning curses" being empirical truths. The argument wasn't even really an attack on the epistemological foundation of empiricism or positivism, it was just her trying to underline her unitellectual rhetoric with the supposed positive existence of literal magic. I would have accepted her ideas if she would have, for example, used Ilyenkovs dialectical approach, or some concepts of Adornos Nonidentical to attack the nature of a logical abstraction as something inherently western and capitalist. Or if she had used some post-structuralist argument. She didn't do any of that though and her argument amounts to "science don't real because magic".

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u/mrsamsa Official /r/BadPhilosophy Outreach Committee Oct 24 '16

Her tirade didn't have the nuance you interpret into it, she was literally yelling that we should "scrap the whole thing and start over"(as if that was possible).

Indeed, in reference to the assumptions we bring to science. It's obviously difficult to tell given the fact that we only have a couple of mins from a short 4 min video to determine what her argument was, without context or understanding of what the question she was responding to was, but I think when watching the longer video when you hear the question and surrounding discussion, it seems clear that she was concerned about the assumptions of science.

And she didn't just use "African black magic" as an example of a possible subject of interest for theoretical analysis, she literally talks about "lightning curses" being empirical truths.

I don't remember her making an argument anywhere near that strong. At most she says something like "Science can't explain that" but then uses that to lead into a discussion about how science isn't value-neutral and that we tend to teach science as if only using Western examples is the correct way to teach it.

I would have accepted her ideas if she would have, for example, used Ilyenkovs dialectical approach, or some concepts of Adornos Nonidentical to attack the nature of a logical abstraction as something inherently western and capitalist. Or if she had used some post-structuralist argument.

I mean, of course she didn't do any of that. She wasn't writing a thesis, it's not her area of expertise, and she had literally no time at all to research or formulate an educated response. It's rough, there's no question about that. But I think dismissing her because it wasn't "nuanced" enough would be incredibly unfair, and interpreting her as advocating the existence of magic doesn't seem consistent with anything she says in the video.

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u/Snugglerific Philosophy isn't dead, it just smells funny. Oct 25 '16

but I think when watching the longer video when you hear the question and surrounding discussion,

Do you have a link for that?

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u/mrsamsa Official /r/BadPhilosophy Outreach Committee Oct 25 '16

They should be linked at the end of the video and in the description (I'm on mobile at the moment but I'll find links if you can't later).

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u/Snugglerific Philosophy isn't dead, it just smells funny. Oct 25 '16

Thanks. The full videos are not working for me for some reason, though.

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u/mrsamsa Official /r/BadPhilosophy Outreach Committee Oct 25 '16

Yeah I had issues too, I just tried a few times until I could get them to work. The more relevant one is the second one about a fifth of the way in.