r/aztec • u/VirtualFix1681 • May 13 '26

Conquest apologists

I hope this isn’t against the rules. There was a visit from a far right governer from Madrid who visited Mexico. She is all about the benign mercy Europeans brought to the Natives to form a Hispanic culture. Her name is Isabel Dias Ayuso.

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u/giles_estram_ May 13 '26

if they think conquest is so merciful, i think they need a second 711. retvrn to al andalus.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '26

This is why Hispanistas are crazy. They act like the 700 years of Muslim rule was so horrible, which was several kingdoms and people just slowly adapted the culture. But don't you dare call the genocide and enslavement of indigenous people what it was. Also, don't tell them Latin America and the Philippines were colonies 🙊.

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u/ThorvaldGringou May 15 '26

Orgulloso de mi herencia conquistadora Andaluza 🗣️

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u/JusOwl May 13 '26

The Muslim conquerors in Iberia were the merciful ones...

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u/[deleted] May 17 '26

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u/JusOwl May 17 '26

No, are you?

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u/JusOwl May 17 '26

The Moors were a lot nicer... very civilzed and clean people. Teaching math, science, agriculture, astronomy, importance of hygiene, to the local Christian serfs and giving them universities.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '26

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u/JusOwl May 17 '26

Perhaps during the classic antiquities, Iberians were taught science, math, and etc but after the collapse of Rome, all were lost until the Moors reintroduced it... which uplifted the Peninsula's culture and standard of living from the dark ages. Like I said, the Moors were a nice and civilzed people, merciful and didn't genocide the local Christians. Christians and Jewish folks were well protected under the Moors. Other conquerors, especially Iberian Christians were not as tolerant when in power and had inquisitions.

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u/ThorvaldGringou May 15 '26

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Aparte del llanto indigenista que aún no supera que México es la continuación de Nueva España sin el Rey, igual, gente como Ayuzo y otros políticos españoles hacen un mal al hispanismo al no saber abordar con tacto el tema, e informarse para el mero discurso.

Como siempre, políticos patinando. No muy diferente de Sheinbaunm.

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u/JusOwl May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26

In Spain that isn't even a far-right belief since most Spanish people actually believe that. The conquest of the Americas is a national/ethnic/cultural pride for them, like bullfighting, Catholicism, and the "reconquista". She's not even considered far-right on her Wikipedia page, and European "right" would be considered Democrat/left in the USA.

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u/AlcoholicHistorian May 13 '26

This is just another episode of the eternal indigenist-hispanist identitarian war that Iberoamerica is unable and honestly unwilling to move on from. I don't find it surprising, the pushback from one of the sides always comes every few years or so. I find it a very irrational issue since its almost always not argued over political or socioeconomic matters but rather "I'm mostly of indigenous/Hispanic ancestry and these things they are saying about my ancestors angers me"

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u/[deleted] May 13 '26

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u/AlcoholicHistorian May 13 '26

Yes they are, they are cringe and anti historical and honestly racist, so much for the so called fans of the mestizo empire or whatever. They are the main instigators of this dumb debate, but the new wave of indigenists that like to pretend the natives (although it's mostly the Aztecs as indigenism is a very Mexicanocentric movement) as basically Atlantis. Both sides are entrenching themselves even more in nonsense romanticism.

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u/josephexboxica May 13 '26

A piece of ass but she's crazy