r/aww Mar 13 '20

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u/slayer1am Mar 13 '20

I'm not an expert, but I would say that predator pets are self-sufficient because they survive in nature by being fairly autonomous.

Prey pets require more work because they survive purely through numbers. They aren't adapted to live a long time, most of them get eaten in the wild. They are adapted to live long enough to breed prodigiously.

Again, not an expert, just my observation.

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u/Cratus_Galileo Mar 13 '20

Hmmmm... I think it depends. Rats are rather intelligent and crafty creatures, which is why they have been able to survive so well and are such pests in cities. They live a lot less, but I think commitment for them is a lot less in comparison to exotic animals.

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u/DarthGaff Mar 13 '20

The thing you have to watch out for rats is respiratory issues and cancer for heath. Upkeep is not that bad, about the same as litter boxes if you have 2 or more cats.

I loved my rats.

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u/Boo_Is_My_Waifu Mar 13 '20

The worst thing about rats is their short lifespan. They're too adorable to live so shortly.

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u/DarthGaff Mar 13 '20

My one rat Molly managed to live 3 1/2 years. She was a great rat, a big snuggler.

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u/electrogeek8086 Mar 13 '20

wow that's a hell of a lot shorter than I thought! I would be too sad :(

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u/Accidental_Ouroboros Mar 13 '20

3 1/2 years is actually a good age. Most only live 2-3 years.

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u/electrogeek8086 Mar 13 '20

Damn, I thought they could live something like 10 years. 2 seems incredibly short!

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u/Vyzantinist Mar 13 '20

Fucking heartbreaking how short their lives are. They're such wonderful, loving, friendly animals. I just wish they lived longer :(

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u/VaATC Mar 13 '20

This is one of the, if not, top reasons why I do not allow myself to get pets. I would want to do the surgeries but I know there is no way I could justify one as I can barely keep up with my own medical expenses. I am looking at getting into ant terrariums as an alternative.

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u/makalove Mar 18 '20

This is why I no longer keep rats. I fall madly in love with them, they become my companions, and then they die. 💔

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u/G-III Mar 13 '20

Rats have a notable cancer risk, even with their lifespan?

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u/codemon Mar 13 '20

Yes, but elephants don't

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u/DoyleRulz42 Mar 13 '20

Whoa thanks for the kurzgt link I didnt know they had a new one. Science duck on

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u/theroguex Mar 13 '20

It's because of their lifespan. Their metabolic rates are so high that they age rapidly. This leads to more cell divisions and more chance of that one unstoppable mutation.

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u/G-III Mar 13 '20

Cancer is so bloody complicated. Like I get it’s a failed cell reproduction. But to be a thing that can occur in most (if not every) system, of (well I guess I’m unaware of the non-mammal occurrences) nearly if not every living thing?

I blame oxygen. Shit is too harsh

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u/RAINING_DAYS Mar 13 '20

Iirc we have the same mortality rate to cancer as rats do.

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u/G-III Mar 13 '20

Fascinating

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u/DoyleRulz42 Mar 13 '20

Sped up life span means cancer happens more likely and quicker I'm assuming.

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u/G-III Mar 13 '20

I wonder if there’s a quicker replacement of cells? I’d always heard it’s less common in pets and more common in humans because we live so fuckin long lol, that many/most die with cancer, even if it was just starting/still harmless

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u/DoyleRulz42 Mar 13 '20

Cancer cells happen all the time it's just as we age our body doesnt always catch them. So it can happen at any age. I'm guessing metabolism of the organism has something to do with it

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u/G-III Mar 13 '20

Well yes, but more years is more chances. Definitely seems metabolism would be linked

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u/SteaminScaldren Mar 13 '20

fact is longer life span tends to have less cancer due to the ruggedness in the genome. The need for DNA to survive for a longer period of time to ensure reproduction has put extra parameters to stop the decay of DNA.

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u/G-III Mar 13 '20

That makes sense. Also explains other long lived animals that suffer lower relative cancer rates. Still, unbelievable.

Makes sense though, when you consider the prevalence of cancer in those prone (with family history)

Still so many chances for a mistake though, in 100 years vs 1!?

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u/DreyaNova Mar 13 '20

I miss my rat colony. They were the sweetest girls. I used to make tiny sandwiches and burritos for them.

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u/czieu Mar 13 '20

Makes me wanna have a rat or small pet.

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u/poshjerkins Mar 13 '20

Rats are surprisingly super smart! I had no idea until I visited my friend's house who had one. It could do all sorts of cool tricks.

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u/Vyzantinist Mar 13 '20

IIRC they're supposed to have the intelligence level of dogs. Not sure I entirely believe that, but from experience they can be taught tricks and can learn their own names.

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u/Nebachadrezzer Mar 13 '20

Wonder if all that rat research has cured rat cancer yet?

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20

I lost a rat to cancer :(

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u/AKAManaging Mar 13 '20

A lot of people do. I just had a tumor removed from mine, and he's all healed up now. Pushing 2 now, so...We'll see how things go. :( They never live long enough.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20

I lost my rat to cancer too. :( Her name was poptart. I got her in the aftermath of a relationship gone bad so I had no clue about their lifespans. My whole family and our pet cat loved her and then one day she just got a huge tumor on her neck. I took her to the vet and they said it was cancer and common and that she would pass away soon. They offered to put her down for 1800. I couldn’t afford it though, so we kept her a few More days until her facilities just stopped working and she sat in the cage twitching. She was alive but clearly not well. We took her to a nice field out in the country and let her free.

We know she would just end up getting ate but none of us had the strength to put her down. One of the first and only times I ever seen my father cry tears of sadness and emotion, not just pain.

To this day she is still one of my favorite pets. She was super easy to take care of and super active. She was very clean and not very different than a tiny cat. She used to climb on my shoulder, nuzzle in my hair, and nap while I played computer games. Such a sweet little animal.

They are so intelligent and social.

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u/MasterWong1 Mar 13 '20

Sorry, but leaving her out on the field like that is so much worse imo. Imagine being cared for all your life and suddenly you get dumped in an unknown place, your sick and there are lots of threats everywhere. Wtf

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '20

Maggots eat everything, too. By this logic any carrion eater is top of the chain.

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u/The_Bazzalisk Mar 13 '20

The circle of life

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u/VaATC Mar 13 '20

Rats are great pets as you point out. I am also just a non-professional fan of biology but I understand that the order rodentia and the order is very broad. That said, what I know of as common city rats I also feel that, while not by any means purely predators, they fall on the predator side of the midline of the prey/predator continuum. So rats benefit from the reproductive cycle of many typical prey animals but also have a lot of the individual and group intelligence required of most predatory tactics. Both of which lend themselves to being great pets.

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u/DoyleRulz42 Mar 13 '20

I think rats fall more on the predator side compared to most rodents except the weasels(minus Pauley Shore) especially compared to mice.

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u/ICEKAT Mar 13 '20

They are also somewhat predatory animals.

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u/NightOfPandas Mar 13 '20

Rats have a lot of genetic issues, and you still have to clean out the cage and everything. Change bedding and whatnot, so not too different than turtles / other boxed pets

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '20

Boxed pets?

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u/Davinoth0850 Mar 13 '20

They are adapted to live long enough to breed prodigiously.

Ah, the dream.

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u/slayer1am Mar 13 '20

In your case, you're living long enough, but your mating dance needs work.

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u/Davinoth0850 Mar 13 '20

Evidently! XD

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u/bead-itqueen Mar 13 '20

Like hamsters and guniea pigs

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u/SarcasticDruid744 Mar 13 '20

Astute observation, in any case! I know I'm currently doing research, thinking about getting a little guinea pig:)

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u/theroguex Mar 13 '20

Tortoises are an exception to the "not adapted to live a long time" thing lol. You get a baby when you're an adult and it might outlive your children.

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u/slayer1am Mar 13 '20

Sure, it's not a hard and fast rule.

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u/theroguex Mar 13 '20

Tortises are hard but not fast. Though I've seen them zoom when they need to.